From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87y5se9o41.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87sjik7uyh.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328823284 22115 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2012 21:34:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Lennart Borgman , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 09 22:34:42 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RvbdZ-00033Z-4b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:34:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51479 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvbdY-00044k-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvbdV-00044I-Im for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:34:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvbdT-00021H-Ic for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:34:37 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:59620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvbdT-00020r-BB for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:34:35 -0500 Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q19LYSl8028154; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:34:29 -0500 Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id AAF1E130009; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87sjik7uyh.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:43:02 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4127=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4127> : streams <727184> : uri <1062782> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148415 Archived-At: >>> Sure. One downside is that this means that the intricate code in >>> bytecomp.el can't be removed (surely not until use of cl-clean, or >>> whatever we call it, becomes second nature to elisp writers). >> It could be simplified, tho, to just deprecate the use of (require 'cl) >> altogether in favor of the new names. Of course, this wouldn't be >> convenient for packages that want to work on older Emacs and XEmacs >> as well. > XEmacs could easily hack up a package that defaliases the other way if > it wanted to (or defaliases the same way). Not a problem. Yes, it's an inconvenience, but it's not a big problem. Stefan