From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:45:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> <87zj0s5yc8.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87r3m45r7a.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442025982 10623 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2015 02:46:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 02:46:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 04:46:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaapQ-0000Xy-1F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:46:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59285 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaapP-0003Ka-Da for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:46:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53138) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaapD-0003Hu-QH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:46:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zaap8-0003kM-NZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:45:59 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zaap8-0003iH-Gr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:45:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zaap6-00007T-6i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:45:52 +0200 Original-Received: from 69-196-186-56.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.196.186.56]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:45:52 +0200 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-196-186-56.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:45:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-196-186-56.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qgp40EFdIPJgIf+dwdP7bkOz6AY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107164 Archived-At: > Also, I didn't show the transitivities, but: > No Smalltalk -> no Objective-C -> no NeXTSTEP > No Lisp -> no Interface Builder -> no NeXTSTEP > No NeXTSTEP -> no MacOSX -> no iOS -> no iPad/iPhone. FWIW, history usually shows that most inventions don't depend on one particular person inventing that thing, but rather on a particular context making that thing desirable/reachable/useful, at which point some (set of) people usually invent similar things around the same time. So while the world might look a bit different if Smalltalk/Lisp/younameit hadn't been invented, it probably wouldn't be all that different since someone else would have invented something similar anyway. Stefan