From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87oa9otixb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87k2kcovt8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5704233B.4020103@cs.ucla.edu> <8737qzso88.fsf@russet.org.uk> <57045765.4000309@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3ei8vz9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5705B246.10201@cs.ucla.edu> <5706764D.2010708@cs.ucla.edu> <282e74a937853505fddfea446c9bc46e.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <57067BF6.6000700@cs.ucla.edu> <83bn5ll5i8.fsf@gnu.org> <83a8l5kypx.fsf@gnu.org> <837fg8lh49.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1460134037 3389 80.91.229.3 (8 Apr 2016 16:47:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org, 20202@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 18:47:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYt-0002j0-QG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 18:47:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57239 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYt-0008P3-3n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:47:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45917) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYl-0008Jf-MM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:47:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYk-00032D-UT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYk-00031y-Qk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYk-00028n-Lh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20484 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20484-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20484.14601340138201 (code B ref 20484); Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20484) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2016 16:46:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54808 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYa-00028C-Tn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:46:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:38126) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoZYY-00027z-Ap; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:46:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id u38GkZcM021305; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:46:36 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BE216AE324; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:46:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <837fg8lh49.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 08 Apr 2016 10:00:38 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5636=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <5636> : inlines <4656> : streams <1616116> : uri <2182476> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:116222 Archived-At: > We will never recover from bug reports if the behavior they want is > not the default. The problem in bug#20484 is not due to a wrong behavior in Emacs but to a wrong behavior in shells (or at the very least a bad interaction between the two), so there's no point trying to "fix it" on our side only, since that just introduces other bugs (witness bug#20202). Regarding bug#20484 as pointed out by Philip Lord we can address it without breaking bug#20484 by only reverting the behavior in ansi-term. Stefan