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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On removing some obsolete code from subr and core
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:31:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy40vqbw7.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20161107200828.GA866@holos.localdomain

> you or someone else know better why the default-FOO variables might be
> needed again,

The only reason would be backward compatibility.

> or why they were implemented in the first place.

I'm pretty sure it's for historical reasons.  I don't know those
reasons, tho.  My guess goes as follows:

- First there were normal vars, and buffer-local vars
  (e.g. buffer-file-name, major-mode).
- The two sets were disjoint.
- There was no `default-value' nor `set-default'.
- For those buffer-local vars where a default value was needed/made
  sense, a separate variable was introduced with the convention to name
  it `default-FOO'.

Later on appeared `default-value`, `make-local-variable`,
`make-variable-buffer-local`, ... which blurred the line between those
two disjoint sets of variables, at which point the `default-FOO' vars
became redundant but they were kept for backward compatibility reasons
(also it's occasionally handy to let-bind `default-FOO', while doing the
same for (default-value 'FOO) requires something like `cl-letf').


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-07 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-04 16:59 On removing some obsolete code from subr and core Mark Oteiza
2016-11-05  8:24 ` John Wiegley
2016-11-05  8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-05 13:50   ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-05 17:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06 16:58       ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-05 17:50   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-06 17:05     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-06 22:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-07  0:32   ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-07  3:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-07  4:24       ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-07 15:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-07 20:08           ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-07 20:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-07 20:25               ` Mark Oteiza
2016-11-08  6:51                 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-11-07 20:31             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2016-11-07 21:32               ` Johan Bockgård
2016-11-08 13:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-08 19:49                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-05 15:51 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-11-05 15:52 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-11-05 16:42   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-11-05 17:23     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-11-05 17:31       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-11-05 18:03         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-11-05 15:57 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-11-05 17:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-05 19:14     ` Clément Pit--Claudel

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