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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE>,
	stefan@marxist.se, 4157@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#4157: 23.1.50; faulty character characterisation for ä
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:07:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy2xswbuf.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83lftsqvgp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:57:58 +0300")

>> Alright, file names in Mac OS X were recorded in a special form of UTF-8,
>> accented characters as two characters. GNU ls outputs the month name
>> correctly, but not the file name, which is still held in UTF-8 and not
>> converted to ISO Latin-9. So it's more of a GNU ls bug.
>
> No, I don't think it is.  No version of 'ls' I know of, including GNU
> 'ls', recodes file names, they just emit the bytestream they find in
> the directory.  The idea is that you create files and display them
> under the same setting of the locale's codeset.  If you change the
> codeset between the time you created the file and the time you display
> it, you are toast.  AFAIK, this happens on any Posix filesystem.

There are different ways to look at the problem and attribute blame
(e.g. since macosx enforces file names to be utf-8 (contrary to POSIX),
`ls` in macosx *could* do the recoding of filenames reliably), but in
any case I think it's clear for me that it's not a bug in Emacs.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-10 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-16  2:19 bug#4157: 23.1.50; faulty character characterisation for ä Peter Dyballa
2009-08-18  1:09 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-18 13:40   ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-19  0:23     ` bug#4157: " Kenichi Handa
2009-08-19 22:47       ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-24 11:30       ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-24 12:22         ` bug#4157: " Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24 15:21           ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-25  0:46             ` bug#4157: " Kenichi Handa
2009-08-25  7:51               ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-25 22:19           ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-27  6:52             ` bug#4157: " Kenichi Handa
2009-08-27  8:50               ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-27 11:33                 ` bug#4157: " Kenichi Handa
2009-08-27 12:38                   ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-28 19:27           ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-31 21:11           ` Peter Dyballa
2009-09-01  0:04             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-04  0:58               ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-22  4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  8:50   ` Peter Dyballa
2009-08-23  1:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-23  9:57       ` Peter Dyballa
2019-10-09 14:29 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09 18:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 19:47   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-09 22:42     ` Peter Dyballa
2019-11-11  1:49       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-11 16:36         ` Peter Dyballa
2019-10-10  0:10     ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10  7:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-10 10:36         ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10 11:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-10 11:52             ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10 12:39               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10 12:41                 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10 18:33             ` Peter Dyballa
2019-10-10 18:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-10 21:07                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2019-10-11 13:33                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-11  7:10               ` Andreas Schwab
2019-10-11  7:23                 ` Peter Dyballa
2019-10-10  8:15       ` Andreas Schwab
2019-10-10 12:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-10 13:12         ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-17 20:58           ` Stefan Kangas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-04  5:51 川幡太一

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