From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature branches review please (ivy hello) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <234bba7f-fd5c-ed39-8a5e-8a6ce3125bf1@inventati.org> <86v9eibupz.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13129"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 06 14:57:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2FY-0003I6-98 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 14:57:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37212 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2FX-0002Ow-BK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:57:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2EY-0001dY-J5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:56:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:6704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2EU-0002DU-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:56:53 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B6E3280B46; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 08:56:47 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3328580724; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 08:56:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1604671006; bh=cwtFgwd+SYmGxSab0Ay6dCh5LkDUpnnWtnFkR6ANoho=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=o9GfQ2qtFQ56Vq9UjDKBcoBMz0mtOmvFdR9flJGJc+hRgs9QR2OWh+H/aNuogA17q ZPOC3LZpEid3F6paBQ+g7W7pbpSq+3ESGIO4jSMpRLJr9IkXLZxThv5GGslgzanrh0 RVvw/zmmLD27J9FZl3SsmJMxj6XRnY3SR1bacusLNbNDSl9ISLC1o0Z7iADuURJkPQ sXNcWUZ+/tD79pG+5iBD+J8SXdz9Iws1HOFXr+izp2PDVXMqUHcocv60oTJrq9RZWl eh1NaE4FzZFK/xbvvqfvylhaCq/zn0bzeyAaW0xFomQdqwu3b5YM5CHQRmWnjkbBGq NRMqQB+CtZ7Kg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08D8E120126; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 08:56:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Fri, 6 Nov 2020 14:42:09 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/06 08:56:47 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258814 Archived-At: > I have seen previous discussion about it entering main Emacs. > Question: Why not? FWIW, here's my take on it: a package should be included in Emacs if it's activated by default or if it's a library that's required by many other packages. To help relieve the pain that such a "minimalist" view implies, I consider that some GNU ELPA packages (the most popular/impactful ones) should be bundled into Emacs's tarball, starting with the `gnu-elpa` package (https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/gnu-elpa.html). Stefan