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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 acm@muc.de,  emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net
Subject: Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 17:38:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy1tmqc9e.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ilks59t6.fsf@thornhill.no> (Theodor Thornhill's message of "Mon, 10 Oct 2022 11:04:21 +0200")

> In some cases, such as the two I mentioned, nothing.  With others, such
> as go-mode, something.  This could be some integration with package
> managers, documentation lookup functions, etc.  In most cases, but not
> all this is solved by LSP.  In the cases where there are benefits in the
> original mode that needs to be handled case by case.

"Solve by LSP" will only solve it for some users.  To best server the
users, we still need to actively make efforts to integrate the old and
the new modes, such as by making the old mode into a derived mode of the
new mode, and then move missing features from the old mode to the
new one.

Experience tells me that if there's a builtin mode and a third-party
mode, their natural course is to diverging.  That results in more work,
worse modes, and a poor user experience (silly choice between two
similar contenders, confusing info on the web, ...).

It's very hard to integrate two different modes after the fact, so we
should make sure the new mode is integrated with the old one from the
start (usually by making the old mode a derived mode of the new one),
and work together with the old mode's maintainer to keep them in-sync
and reduce the differences over time.


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-11 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 208+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-09  9:03 Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09  9:47 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 12:21   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 12:41     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 14:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 15:18         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 15:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 19:25             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 21:21               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 22:03                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-10  6:35                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 22:39                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  4:05                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  6:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:35                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  8:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:46                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  8:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  7:08                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 15:48                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 16:29                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 17:16                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:53                           ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 18:04                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:53                     ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11  7:16                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 14:08       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-09 12:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 12:27   ` Po Lu
2022-10-09 13:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 14:01       ` Po Lu
2022-10-09 14:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 13:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:39     ` Turing on tree-sitter (was: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:46       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  6:54         ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  7:26           ` Turing on tree-sitter Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10  8:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 14:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 15:29                 ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-10 16:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 16:06                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 16:24                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10 16:54                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:05                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 20:56                         ` Buliding with tree-sitter (Was: Turing on tree-sitter) Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 21:34                           ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 22:54                       ` Turing on tree-sitter Daniel Martín
2022-10-10  8:19           ` Turing on tree-sitter (was: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  8:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:59       ` Turing on tree-sitter Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 14:36 ` Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Brian
2022-10-09 14:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 15:20     ` Brian
2022-10-09 15:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 16:03         ` Brian
2022-10-09 17:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 23:45           ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  9:34             ` Brian
2022-10-10 10:10               ` Po Lu
2022-10-10 10:27                 ` Brian
2022-10-10 15:53               ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  3:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10  6:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:23           ` Brian
2022-10-09 20:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 20:54   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-09 21:12     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  0:01   ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 19:44     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-10-10 20:54       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-17 17:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17 18:47         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-10-17 22:04           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 13:47             ` Ketevan Lomidze
2022-10-18  3:24           ` Po Lu
2022-10-18  4:42             ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-18  6:35               ` Po Lu
2022-10-18  9:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-18 10:36                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-18 14:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20  0:19                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-20  1:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-20  6:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 19:19                           ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-20  6:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-18 13:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19  8:03             ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10  5:55   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:44     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  8:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:04         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  9:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:20             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  9:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:44                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:38           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-10-11 21:45             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  0:34         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11  6:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  6:41             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:51               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:23                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  7:36                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:41                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  8:15                     ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11  9:54                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11  9:58                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:58               ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11  7:13                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 18:31                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 18:43                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 18:54                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 18:57                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 19:01                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 19:30                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 20:36                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 20:49                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 21:01                                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:44                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-12 10:58                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 19:20                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-11 19:28                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  4:43       ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  5:14         ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11  5:33           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  6:50               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  5:47           ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  7:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:50               ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:23                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:51                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 10:09                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11 12:49                   ` Visuwesh
2022-10-11 16:56                     ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-11 18:18                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11  7:13           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:35             ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  7:47               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  8:17                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:40                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 10:46                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:51             ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11  7:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:31           ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  7:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:15               ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:47                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 10:17                     ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-11  8:43             ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11 16:01             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 21:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 21:49           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 22:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 22:49               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-12  0:41                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  9:51                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 10:47                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  5:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12  0:26           ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  3:31             ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12  4:27               ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  9:51                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 10:48                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 21:29       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10  7:34   ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-10  7:48     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  7:53       ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-10  9:04         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 20:44       ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-11 21:00         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 15:28 ` TypeScript support for tree-sitter (was Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 16:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 16:43     ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 17:07       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:48         ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 18:04           ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 18:53             ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-11 20:07               ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-11 20:22                 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-12  6:51                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-12  7:11                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  8:25         ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:42           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 13:26       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 13:48         ` Theodor Thornhill
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-11 23:14 Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12  5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 15:09   ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12 15:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 16:47       ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-21 23:45         ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-22  1:52           ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-22  3:42             ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-22  6:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-22 15:51             ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24  4:20               ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-24 15:41                 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 15:46                   ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24  6:23               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-24 15:44                 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 16:00                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-12  7:18 Payas Relekar

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