From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59714: 30.0.50; (void-function cl-letf) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83fse0jrti.fsf@gnu.org> <87iliwqjzd.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26434"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 59714@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Manuel Uberti To: Augusto Stoffel Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 30 21:20:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TZ0-0006fR-Mq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 21:20:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TYr-0000nA-Kp; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:20:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TYq-0000mk-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:20:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TYo-0007qf-1L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:20:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TYn-0005EB-Ms for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:20:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59714 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59714-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59714.166983958320071 (code B ref 59714); Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59714) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2022 20:19:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34883 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TYV-0005Df-EM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:19:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:47371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TYT-0005DZ-7d for 59714@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:19:41 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8CF9380490; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:19:35 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 005508005E; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:19:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669839574; bh=jIxdWmcFyZIUkdSVI06VnCVZoQKWr/pKqLxkrrsBK0U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=PcDMzGY7iHVPa+0ylsviBqKA7bfszyCdVHkfq5PwhUW20D2uZD30bqUboS+zNQF7S /YLXIl4utaHCrh2dYuFlB6GxhSKLzSv3jKyEd/nuBa45gKsEhuD1+9VajnEVL1FnSm ym8rtQdmVlxNEXR9slMV4qtedKLURcE1LLbVGIVTzTNfiIGJC07rBKMj6giFilM+Em UiA0j2QqpwMH0aqCx3uc9vW1A8KrrI4O1EjeUf7hE/oAsXmRKOk1esB5U7B4f4Hhg8 3XCub0sihid2bT7Hz7cqqBKN5k48jYlxxDZh76SgoVX1YbA3VDmyZIa/PMXUhqL86d f6U0hOFXfDilQ== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.193.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B291D122560; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:19:33 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87iliwqjzd.fsf@gmail.com> (Augusto Stoffel's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2022 21:13:10 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:249567 Archived-At: > Okay, that explains many things... FWIW, it has always confused me that > C-h f cl-letf RET says > > cl-letf is an autoloaded Lisp macro in =E2=80=98cl-macs.el=E2=80=99. > > From a user perspective, the autoloadedness claim is definitely less > than 50% true. It's true in the sense that you don't need to (require 'cl-macs), [ and indeed you shouldn't (require 'cl-macs) ] Whether that's more or less than 50% .... Stefan