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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 67455@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#67455: (Record source position, etc., in doc strings, and use this in *Help* and backtraces.)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2024 22:19:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy19oeheq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZhKE92pGS3SG4pNy@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sun, 7 Apr 2024 11:35:19 +0000")

> The definition starts when the reader reads (defun foo ...).  It ends
> when that Fdefalias has been evaluated.  Between those two events,
> defining-symbol is bound to foo.

When the code is compiled, years can pass between those two events.

> The critical thing here is the variable defining-symbol.  I think you're
> suggesting that its value could accidentally find its way into other
> symbols' position structures.  When are those other symbols getting
> defined?  Surely if a secondary defun, defmacro, defvar, ... happens
> during the main defun, its defining symbol is that of the main defun?

That secondary symbol might be defined by the macro for its own use,
rather than for the use of the returned code.

> Well, m-a-e is defined too late.

According to your self-imposed rule 🙂

> Even if it weren't, how would it solve any of these problems you see?
> It's just swapping one dynamically bound variable for another.

Indeed, m-a-e has to fight the same issues, in theory, but in practice,
those issues have already been addressed over the years.  It's rebound
to nil "all the time" to try and make sure its effect doesn't leak.

BTW, it would be nice to separate your patches into some that add
position info to lambda's docstring, and then others that add
"defining symbol" to the available position info.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-08  2:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-26 14:30 bug#67455: Record source position, etc., in doc strings, and use this in *Help* and backtraces Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 17:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 18:33   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-04 21:32     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 21:56       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-04 22:30         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 22:59           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-15 18:23     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-15 23:12       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found] ` <handler.67455.B.170100905232659.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2024-03-04 15:38   ` bug#67455: (Record source position, etc., in doc strings, and use this in *Help* and backtraces.) Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-09 21:36     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-10 16:02       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-10 17:19         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-10 19:22           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-10 21:03             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-24 11:04               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-25 18:23                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-25 21:03                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-25 22:10                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26  9:48                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 13:40                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 16:55                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 19:40                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 20:21                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 20:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27  3:35                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-27 12:23                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 22:00                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 20:30                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 21:13                           ` Drew Adams
2024-03-27 10:04                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-27 12:22                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 21:43                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-28 16:25                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 16:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  9:10                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-30  9:53                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-31  2:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-07 11:35                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-08  2:19                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-04-08  2:56                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-10  8:53                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-30 11:03                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-31  2:54                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-07 10:57                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-08  3:16                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-08  8:32                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-08 12:00                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-02 13:38                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-03  4:52                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-05 15:01                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-10 22:27           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-11  0:50             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-13 10:54               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-13 11:52                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-19 16:18                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-19 20:47                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-19 21:40                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-19 22:32                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-24 11:21                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-01 17:40     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-01 18:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-01 18:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-01 18:17         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-01 23:14       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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