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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:35:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwtxe6cnf.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <x5mzyarfl5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:18:46 +0200")

> If the time stamps for the clicks indeed come from the X server, then
> Kim's timed scheme would probably not be very susceptible to system
> load/traffic congestion effects.

The problm with it is that it goes against what we're trying to do, which is
to get Emacs's UI in line with "what non-Emacs users expect".
I.e. such users will just do a simple click and expect it to follow
the link.

Adding a message saying "please keep the button pressed longer if you want
to follow the link" is really not much better than adding a message that
says "use mouse-2 if you want to follow the link".

And if you add to the equation the extra code and conceptual complexity of
using timing-dependent information, I find it ends up a loser.

> After all, we have the same problem with recognizing double-clicks.

Sure.  But users have wanted double-clicks, so we gave it to them.
Users's aren't asking for variable-duration clicks.  OTOH users are quite
used to not being able to move cursor into a link by just left-clicking on
it.  It may annoy them at times, but it seems to annoy them less than having
to use mouse-2.


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-25 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <DNEMKBNJBGPAOPIJOOICAEKKCAAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>
2004-10-19  9:04 ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 15:31   ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-19 16:12   ` Drew Adams
2004-10-21 13:56   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 14:47     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 16:03       ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-23  4:48       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 12:42         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-24 12:59           ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-24 19:40             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-24 20:06               ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-25 13:13             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 13:10           ` David Kastrup
2004-10-24 19:59             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:04               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26 17:05                 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-24 22:31           ` Stefan
2004-10-25  7:22             ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 11:47               ` Stefan
2004-10-25 12:51                 ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 13:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-25 14:52                     ` Ralf Angeli
2004-10-25 15:08                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-25 15:18                         ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 15:35                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2004-10-26  9:00                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:25                               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-26 12:23                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26 18:55                                   ` Drew Adams
2004-10-26 21:06                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-10-26 21:54                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27  2:15                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-27 12:52                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 13:02                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-27 13:16                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-10-27 14:51                                             ` feature freeze (was: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text) Reiner Steib
2004-10-27 15:15                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 15:15                                               ` feature freeze David Kastrup
2004-10-27 17:29                                           ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Drew Adams
2004-10-28 14:05                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 17:35                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-01 14:40                                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2004-11-01 15:44                                           ` Stefan
2004-11-02 14:08                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-02 18:08                                             ` Karl Eichwalder
2004-11-02 21:51                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-11-02 23:41                                                 ` Drew Adams
2004-11-02 23:53                                                   ` Stefan
2004-11-03  1:27                                                     ` incrementor-decrementor commands and bindings (was: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text) Drew Adams
2004-11-03  7:51                                                       ` incrementor-decrementor commands and bindings (was: finger-pointercurser " Stephan Stahl
2004-11-03 15:26                                                         ` Drew Adams
2004-11-04  9:51                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-03  1:34                                                     ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Miles Bader
2004-11-03  9:31                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03  9:26                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03 10:20                                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-03 17:04                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-03  9:11                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03 17:03                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 17:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 10:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 12:24                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 13:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-27 13:18                                   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-28  2:27                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27  7:22                             ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-10-27  7:35                               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-27 12:32                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-28  6:24                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 10:47                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26  9:05               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25  8:31             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-25 10:01               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 12:32                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:05               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 13:13           ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 14:09   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 14:42     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 15:21       ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 19:55         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 20:09           ` Drew Adams
2004-10-21 21:45             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-21 22:09               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-22  9:10                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-22 12:45                   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-22 15:03                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-22 15:56                       ` David Kastrup
2004-10-17 19:27 Drew Adams
2004-10-18 11:19 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-18 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-07 13:16 ` Per Abrahamsen

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