From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mode line eol char indication Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <005701c96b9a$243839d0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <495C1A49.3040009@gnu.org> <006201c96bd4$152bf190$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87iqozqvco.fsf@xemacs.org> <495C8158.6040604@gnu.org> <007801c96c3c$69555f50$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <495D1632.2030803@harpegolden.net> <007b01c96c46$ac425a70$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230867925 5568 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2009 03:45:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Juanma Barranquero' , "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" , 'Jason Rumney' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'David De La Harpe Golden' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 02 04:46:34 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LIazZ-0002YI-9O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:46:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45572 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LIayK-0004vs-7P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:45:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LIayE-0004vn-B6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:45:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LIayB-0004vb-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:45:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33610 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LIayB-0004vY-Sn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:45:07 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:2160) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LIayA-0006XS-5c; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:45:06 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4EABMcXUlFxKr8/2dsb2JhbACBa8h1hXKBaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,316,1228107600"; d="scan'208";a="31705581" Original-Received: from 69-196-170-252.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.170.252]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2009 22:45:05 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 22BDFB41B5; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:45:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <007b01c96c46$ac425a70$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:25:13 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107520 Archived-At: > I agree. Emacs users will sooner or later come to recognize ^M as carriage > return and ^J as line feed (newline). Might as well use these in the UI. They > are succinct and clear. By the time they figure out what ^M is "carriage return" and ^J is "newline" and that there's a difference between the two, and what is that difference, and how it relates to the EOL-convention used under various systems, they'll be just as unlikely to be confused by (Mac) or (DOS) or (Unix). The current behavior is pretty close to optimal, I think. And things like CR, LF, ^M, ^J are just non-starters AFAIC. Stefan