From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <4F31C3E8.9090208@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328665993 8534 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 01:53:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nix , 'egnarts-ms' , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 02:53:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruwid-0001aq-Eq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:53:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46457 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruwid-0003BJ-38 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruwib-0003BD-1T for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruwia-0005jN-1Q for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:08 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:36668) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwiZ-0005jJ-VM for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:53:08 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGjUMU9MCqD0/2dsb2JhbABDr1mBB4FyAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgPuUuLcxICAgMGAgQCAQQCAgwGCgMBhB0BBAQegzoEiEabB4Ra X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,381,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="161803461" Original-Received: from 76-10-160-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.160.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 07 Feb 2012 20:53:06 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C4FC1660DC; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:53:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4F31C3E8.9090208@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:38:00 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148339 Archived-At: >>> I've never understood what's wrong with including cl.el, nor why the >> The main issue is namespace. If someone goes through the code to rename >> it all to "cl-*", then we won't need to avoid using it. > I don't think the namespace is an issue. A _lot_ of people do, in > fact, (require 'cl), and packages continue to work for them. If there > were any serious conflicts, they'd already be fixed. > In other words, I don't think you can find an elisp package that only > works properly if cl isn't loaded. That's not the issue. The issue is that CL's namespace is really unclean and that's bad, regardless of whether other packages conflict. Stefan