From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Change terminology to better align =?utf-8?Q?users=E2=80=99?= experience with modern GUIs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:12:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <58E90D68-5CE4-425F-BB5F-07533665ADC0@icloud.com> <20190723093721.GA29541@protected.rcdrun.com> <20190723190355.4d7923e7@rot.h> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="162578"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 24 00:12:38 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hq31R-000gBd-EV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 00:12:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47554 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hq31Q-0005aW-5K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:12:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hq31M-0005aD-Om for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:12:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hq31L-00040a-KY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:12:32 -0400 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:39376 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hq31L-0003zZ-DM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:12:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hq31J-000g4O-Jf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 00:12:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:6fCejRGgnhT/BZOJ+/9fNlRp8AY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:121249 Archived-At: > Before exchanging the words, could you please reconsider, why the > people behind emacs called the visible work area „window“ – and not the > whole thing? For me it is stupendous logic. Not sure what was the "logic" or even if any particular terminology here is more "logical", but FWIW, Emacs's notion of "window" was inherited from earlier Emacsen (ITS Emacs and Multics Emacs at least had these kinds of "panes" and called them "windows": these were before the days of GUIs). GNU Emacs and the X Window System were started at around the same time, so Emacs could have used the "new" terminology I guess, but it would have had to be "forward looking", whereas it took it another 10 years (i.e. until Emacs-19) before it started to break out of the "text terminal" mold. Stefan