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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>,
	 "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [External] : Supplying DOC string in a `defun' using `defvar'
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwnrb99xw.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CO1PR10MB4466C0E9DCB5BE8F3722DD5CF33D9@CO1PR10MB4466.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2021 22:24:01 +0000")

> As I'm sure you know, by "this should be fixed"
> I meant please fix :documentation, so it works
> with both "dialects".

Patch welcome.

> The "fix" of introducing broken stuff, and saying "It'll all be fixed
> when the dynamic dialect finally goes away" doesn't cut the mustard.
> That's just "Demain on rase gratis !".

The fact is: the two dialects *are* different and that's the price that
had to be paid in order to introduce lexical scoping without breaking
all the existing code.

The fact that `:documentation` only works in the new dialect is the
least common hurdle among several others (I've already seen at least 20
cases here on gnu.emacs.help (plus at least the same amount in other
places) of ELisp snippets working only in the new dialect and users
stumbling because of that, this is the first that involves the obscure
`:documentation` feature).

So, while it is technically possible to make :documentation work in the
old dialect, it won't fix the core problem nor its most common
manifestations.  That core problem can only be fixed by helping people
move to the new dialect as quickly as possible so we can go back to
living in a single dialect.

This discussion has already helped one user change its code to the new
dialect, so maybe the fact that `:documentation` doesn't work in the old
dialect should be seen as a feature to help people move to the
new dialect.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-02 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-31 23:00 Supplying DOC string in a `defun' using `defvar' ludvig-faddeev
2021-05-31 23:11 ` 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE
2021-05-31 23:13 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-31 23:32   ` ludvig-faddeev
2021-05-31 23:43     ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01  0:14   ` 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE
2021-06-01  0:23     ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01  0:35       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01  0:40       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01  1:00         ` ludvig-faddeev
2021-06-01  1:07         ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01  1:28           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01  1:33             ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01 13:39               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01 16:31                 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01 22:44                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01  3:26   ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-01  5:19     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-01 14:31       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01 14:41         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-01 15:01           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-01 15:05             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-01 15:38               ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-01 18:20                 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-01 18:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 18:33                     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02  2:53                   ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-02 22:46                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-02 22:56                     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-03  6:52                       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-03  7:23                         ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-06-03  9:19                           ` Jean Louis
2021-06-03 14:17                             ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-06-02 15:59                 ` FW: " Drew Adams
2021-06-02 16:19                   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02 17:24                     ` Drew Adams
2021-06-02 18:14                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-01 22:39               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01 22:43                 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02  2:55                   ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-02  4:55                     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02  5:06                       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-02 13:09                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 13:35                         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02 14:43                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02 15:08                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 16:14                             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02 15:53                         ` Drew Adams
2021-06-02 18:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 18:59                             ` Jean Louis
2021-06-02 19:55                               ` Drew Adams
2021-06-02 19:58                             ` Drew Adams
2021-06-02 21:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 22:24                                 ` Drew Adams
2021-06-02 22:39                                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-06-02 22:52                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-02 23:11                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-03 10:57                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-03 13:43                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-03 15:10                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-03 15:34                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-03 15:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-03 16:18                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-03  6:29                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-06-03  6:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-03  6:59                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-01 15:46             ` Drew Adams
2021-06-01 16:34         ` Jean Louis
2021-06-01 18:51       ` Nick Dokos
2021-06-01 19:02         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-06-01 22:15           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-06-01 23:08             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-31 23:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-31 23:31   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-05-31 23:46     ` ludvig-faddeev
2021-06-01  0:29       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01  0:35         ` ludvig-faddeev
2021-06-01  1:08           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01  1:49             ` ludvig-faddeev
2021-06-01 14:26               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-06-01 21:50                 ` ludvig-faddeev
2021-06-01 22:22                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-05-31 23:40   ` Jean Louis

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