From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:52:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87hcryfjkh.fsf@zip.com.au> <200704022335.l32NZgOp027657@jane.dms.auburn.edu> <87648efhbs.fsf@zip.com.au> <86ps6m7y36.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175612019 2520 80.91.229.12 (3 Apr 2007 14:53:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: user42@zip.com.au, teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 03 16:53:34 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HYkNt-0002DD-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:53:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkR2-0006db-C0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:56:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkQz-0006dW-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkQy-0006dK-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkQy-0006dH-87 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HYkNk-00083v-J8; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:53:12 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1E72CF8FD; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966583FE0; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7CC826CB19; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue\, 03 Apr 2007 11\:17\:35 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:68993 Archived-At: >> But since it is likely that [Debian] are going to remove the manuals >> completely in future (due to them being GFDL) > They already did: at least one Debian user told me in some forum (I > think gnu.emacs.help) that "C-h F" and "C-h K" didn't work because the > manuals were not there. Emacs on Debian has always been split into several packages. The GFDL burp caused them to refine the split such that the doc is now in a separate package placed in the "non-free" section. ~-0% dpkg -l 'emacs21*' Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-========================-==========-====================================================================== ii emacs21 21.4a+1-3 The GNU Emacs editor ii emacs21-bin-common 21.4a+1-3 The GNU Emacs editor's shared, architecture dependent files ii emacs21-common 21.4a+1-3 The GNU Emacs editor's shared, architecture independent infrastructure ii emacs21-common-non-dfsg 21.4a+1-1 GNU Emacs shared, architecture independent, non-DFSG items ii emacs21-el 21.4a+1-3 GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files un emacs21-nox (no description available) IIRC they also recently voted to consider GFDL'd manuals as free at the condition that they do not add any extra clause. In any case, the problem of Debian's multi-version support with info files is unrelated to the GFDL. And we can blame Debian all we want, but I don't think we have many alternatives to offer. Info is just currently not very good at dealing with such problems. Stefan