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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: user42@zip.com.au, teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:52:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvvegd5xi4.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uabxp6fds.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue\, 03 Apr 2007 11\:17\:35 +0300")

>> But since it is likely that [Debian] are going to remove the manuals
>> completely in future (due to them being GFDL)

> They already did: at least one Debian user told me in some forum (I
> think gnu.emacs.help) that "C-h F" and "C-h K" didn't work because the
> manuals were not there.

Emacs on Debian has always been split into several packages.  The GFDL burp
caused them to refine the split such that the doc is now in a separate
package placed in the "non-free" section.

~-0% dpkg -l 'emacs21*'
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name                     Version    Description
+++-========================-==========-======================================================================
ii  emacs21                  21.4a+1-3  The GNU Emacs editor
ii  emacs21-bin-common       21.4a+1-3  The GNU Emacs editor's shared, architecture dependent files
ii  emacs21-common           21.4a+1-3  The GNU Emacs editor's shared, architecture independent infrastructure
ii  emacs21-common-non-dfsg  21.4a+1-1  GNU Emacs shared, architecture independent, non-DFSG items
ii  emacs21-el               21.4a+1-3  GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files
un  emacs21-nox              <none>     (no description available)

IIRC they also recently voted to consider GFDL'd manuals as free at the
condition that they do not add any extra clause.

In any case, the problem of Debian's multi-version support with info files
is unrelated to the GFDL.  And we can blame Debian all we want, but I don't
think we have many alternatives to offer.  Info is just currently not very
good at dealing with such problems.


        Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-03 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02 23:22 arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin Kevin Ryde
2007-04-02 23:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2007-04-03  0:10   ` Kevin Ryde
2007-04-03  6:48     ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03  8:17       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03  9:48         ` Romain Francoise
2007-04-03  9:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 10:10             ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 16:13               ` Miles Bader
2007-04-03 16:29                 ` Davi Leal
2007-04-03 18:30                   ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 18:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-04-03 18:56                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-03 22:58                         ` Johan Bockgård
2007-04-04 12:53                           ` Davi Leal
2007-04-04 17:38                           ` [debian-vrms] Bug#221807: "please take this into consideration" David Diaz
2007-04-05  2:41                             ` Bug#221807: " Bdale Garbee
2007-04-05  9:56                               ` David Diaz
2007-04-03 14:52         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2007-04-03 18:41           ` arevert-xtra.texi xref gremlin David Kastrup

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