From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805021331.m42DVYVw016584@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209865357 2941 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2008 01:42:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Chong Yidong , Dan Nicolaescu , Nick Roberts , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 04 03:43:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsTFu-0005Va-Dy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 03:43:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45681 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsTFD-0000uA-19 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:42:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsTDg-0008Vt-9y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsTDe-0008UJ-QI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39980 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsTDe-0008UG-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JsTDV-0002j0-1F; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:41 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjUCAAqxHEjO+JghdGdsb2JhbACBU5AcASeYLA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,432,1204520400"; d="scan'208";a="19879564" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 03 May 2008 21:40:39 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.152.33]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id KGS25039; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:39 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A79D1856B; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:40:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Sun, 04 May 2008 10:25:55 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96406 Archived-At: >> Thanks again, questioning a gift and bashing the giver is indeed the >> ideal way to treat the giver. No good deed should ever go >> unpunished! > It seemed to me that you just superficially removed compilation > errors, with minimal test (you said that it was minimally-tested). That sounds like a good thing. When I took care of some of the multi-tty merge, I fixed some of the Carbon port to the best of my knowledge without even trying to compile the code. IIRC Dan then fixed my rough-draft enough that the code compiled and didn't crash right away. We're still waiting for someone to actually finish the merge w.r.t the Carbon port. This can only be done by someone who understand enough of the Carbon port. You seem like our best hope here. I do not know why you seem to be so offended by the multi-tty code. Maybe if you explained it, we could work it through. Its being non-working and without anybody willing to fix it is basically the main reason why we started to look into the Emacs.app code. It is a pity to throw away this code. > Just like you literally replaced `next-line' with `forward-line' to > remove byte-compiler warnings without considering their meanings. Everybody makes mistakes. Now, can we go back to improving Emacs instead of bitching at each other? Stefan