From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Nested display strings Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:42:15 -0300 Message-ID: References: <83k4ekc3z1.fsf@gnu.org> <8339l7blfe.fsf@gnu.org> <87sjt6nmnw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83r58o99zc.fsf@gnu.org> <834o5i8gpn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1304016149 353 80.91.229.12 (28 Apr 2011 18:42:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 28 20:42:25 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFWAQ-00061N-EZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:42:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46037 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFWAP-0000fr-P9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:42:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60810) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFWAM-0000fa-Sj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:42:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFWAM-0000Zi-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:42:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:51630) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFWAM-0000Zd-08 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:42:18 -0400 Original-Received: from 121-249-126-200.fibertel.com.ar ([200.126.249.121]:11901 helo=ceviche.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFWAL-0001Pw-9C; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 74CB0660D8; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:42:15 -0300 (ART) In-Reply-To: <834o5i8gpn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:48:36 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:138878 Archived-At: >> >> A good/natural way for redisplay to signal such problems would be to >> >> display them directly in the window (e.g. insert some threatening >> >> question mark or some such, ideally with mouse-over highlighting and >> >> a help-echo-like text explaining the problem). >> > Now, _that_ is what I call "obnoxious". >> I have no idea why you'd find it obnoxious. After all, that's pretty >> much what we do for "chars we don't know how to draw", except we put >> a square box rather than a threatening question mark and we don't bother >> with the help-echo and mouse highlight. > Exactly. The things we do NOT do in the square box case are that make > your suggestion too extreme, to my taste. The situation is not so > threatening, after all. Well, I mostly want it to be easy for users to recognize that it's a redisplay problem, and also to figure out what's the cause of the problem, hence the help-echo. I was thinking of a mouse highlighting to make it into a hyperlink, but I don't think we'd know where to jump to, so that's probably a bad idea. Stefan