From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as WM Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:59:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408071622 22438 80.91.229.3 (15 Aug 2014 03:00:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 03:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Matthew Plant To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 15 05:00:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XI7kP-0000ZR-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 05:00:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57155 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XI7kP-0002qM-AD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 23:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XI7kG-0002mf-EK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 23:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XI7k8-0002yW-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 23:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:52137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XI7k8-0002y2-RL; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:59:52 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVPAqyKr/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqwODTCE X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVPAqyKr/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqwODTCE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="86824406" Original-Received: from 192-171-34-171.cpe.pppoe.ca (HELO ceviche.home) ([192.171.34.171]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Aug 2014 22:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E955D660C4; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:59:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 14 Aug 2014 21:03:48 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173681 Archived-At: > I could potentially help out; but is there really any work to be > done on Rudel? Seems stable enough. > Stefan, what's the work you think is needed on Rudel > to include it standardly in Emacs? It should use open-network-stream's TLS support, for one. I found the handling of encryption rather annoying (from the user's view point), so improvements in this area are important. It needs some further documentation. It needs an active maintainer. IIUC the protocols it support might need to be revisited, since Gobby is rather dated and Rudel doesn't support more recent protocols. But FWIW I don't see the benefit of having it included in Emacs: So far its use has been rather marginal, so while I think it's a neat package (which is why I went to the trouble of including it in GNU ELPA), I'm not convinced it deserves to be bundled with Emacs. It's easy enough to install it via GNU ELPA. Stefan