From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87oa9otixb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87k2kcovt8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5704233B.4020103@cs.ucla.edu> <8737qzso88.fsf@russet.org.uk> <57045765.4000309@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3ei8vz9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5705B246.10201@cs.ucla.edu> <5706764D.2010708@cs.ucla.edu> <282e74a937853505fddfea446c9bc46e.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <57067BF6.6000700@cs.ucla.edu> <83bn5ll5i8.fsf@gnu.org> <83a8l5kypx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1460066543 27790 80.91.229.3 (7 Apr 2016 22:02:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org, 20202@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 00:02:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aoI0F-0005H4-Rs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:02:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52273 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoI0F-0002ru-0j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:02:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35445) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoI06-0002hI-M1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoI02-0007x1-V7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:02:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoI02-0007wx-T2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoI02-0002ni-NG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:02:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20484 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20484-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20484.146006650710734 (code B ref 20484); Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20484) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 22:01:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53280 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoHzn-0002my-7O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:01:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:24907) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoHzk-0002mg-UX; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:01:46 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CdDQA731xV/wl73mhcgxCEAshgBAICgTw9EAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSINwjPIwEBAQEGAQEBAR6LOoUFB4QtAQS1BCOCO4FZIoJ4AQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0CdDQA731xV/wl73mhcgxCEAshgBAICgTw9EAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSINwjPIwEBAQEGAQEBAR6LOoUFB4QtAQS1BCOCO4FZIoJ4AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="205412554" Original-Received: from 104-222-123-9.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([104.222.123.9]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2016 18:01:38 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EA8A164239; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:01:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83a8l5kypx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:25:46 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:116173 Archived-At: > in the next few years. As long as shells are in use which want > EMACS=t, we must leave that in place. No, nothing forces us to leave that in place. What is true is: As long as shells are in use which want EMACS=t, we should make sure that the affected users can still get the right behavior > Waiting is the only way I see. We've tried that for about 10 years now. I'd be surprised if another 10 years will make any difference in this respect. Stefan