From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lldb support Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20161107150552.20e98985@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161107220815.606cd583@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <6c239d49-a92c-1495-7121-4808295a4fc2@dancol.org> <735f8965-609a-d0c2-82bc-19a2393186b6@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1478884411 8897 195.159.176.226 (11 Nov 2016 17:13:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 11 18:13:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c5FNv-0007Up-KI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:13:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54154 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c5FNy-0007Gf-LK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:13:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36795) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c5FMz-0007FV-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:12:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c5FMv-00010w-0x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:12:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=46133 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c5FMu-00010g-QE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:12:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c5FMb-00060m-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:11:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:7DNuPDN0oTlHjk4lO+fMrYD9VUU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209341 Archived-At: > I don't think the aim is to replace GNU packages, but to give everyone > better tools. Without the GNU packages none of it would have been possible. There's a long history between Apple, GCC, and the GPL. So, yes, Apple's investment into LLVM was specifically to avoid the GPL. But LLVM (and surrounding tools) exists independently from Apple. > You have to understand that these sort of tactics simply don't work: none > of these users will switch to GDB just because Emacs does not support the > alternative. They will simply write the code in emacs and debug it outside > emacs, so the result is actually the opposite of what you want (the users > using GNU tools all the time). Indeed. By avoiding LLVM/Clang/... we're just harming ourselves, AFAICT. Stefan