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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive (Bug#30343)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:39:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvvadoutlu.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a7v0brtb.fsf@red-bean.com

I haven't really participated so far since it's definitely a bikeshed's
color kind of discussion, but since I'm to blame for it, I'll try and
explain why I brought it up:

I said I "dislike seeing" such code, without any further explanation
because indeed, there's no strong technical reason behind it (I could
come up with various technical reasons, but they'd just be
rationalizations).  I guess it just reflects my "strong types"
background, where I like my code to be sanity checked by a static
analyzer.  For Elisp we don't have any strong static analyzer available,
so we use the next best thing: our byte-compiler's warnings.

With "Elisp embedded in C strings", we don't have any such tool
support, so it makes me feel "unprotected" (we can't even be sure that
parentheses are balanced without run-time testing).

I didn't bring it up with the aim to try and change that specific chunk
of code, but rather to get the opinion of others, and probably also to
try and influence future code.

>> Yes, they are all weak reasons, but so are the proposed reasons in
>> favor of the change.
> Yes, agreed on both counts.

Clearly.


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-22 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20180311105534.3DAFD23CF3@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2018-03-11 16:05   ` [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive (Bug#30343) Stefan Monnier
2018-03-11 17:23     ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-12  9:56       ` Leo Liu
2018-03-11 18:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-15 20:20       ` Richard Copley
2018-03-16 15:23         ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-20 21:33           ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-20 21:46             ` Richard Copley
2018-03-21  7:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-22  5:30               ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-22  7:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-22  7:15                 ` Unnecessarily moving stiff between files considered harmful (Was: [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive) (Bug#30343) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-23 18:03                   ` Unnecessarily moving stiff between files considered harmful Karl Fogel
2018-03-22 13:39                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2018-03-23 18:05                   ` [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive (Bug#30343) Karl Fogel
2018-03-25 10:03               ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-25 15:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-25 20:29                   ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-26 15:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-28 20:19                     ` Juri Linkov
2018-03-29  4:53                       ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-29 11:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-29 12:17                         ` Stefan Monnier

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