From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 0161c9d 1/2: Load all generic-x.el modes unconditionally Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210209160550.18823.10795@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210209160551.832FB20AD1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o8gti2ln.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg65jffx.fsf@gnu.org> <83im71j96z.fsf@gnu.org> <83czx8k3gn.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> <83im6zj1bo.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0reh6l6.fsf@gnu.org> <83eehmh07n.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2ftg4hm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5396"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 14:44:46 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAYkX-0001FZ-HC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:44:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40398 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAYkW-00078g-KB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:44:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAYjY-0006XF-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:5866) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAYjV-0001uK-Si; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:44 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3D6DB80BB9; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B58F1809DC; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1613137416; bh=XDLGtv68mdgdlkQzpTkoAvxdFepx9AjjRIKyWrkS0cs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=m82sOqNRyKHbc2xThYHosdzdVjyDC4l3RCjM0ltuqrTiAqzRtg/Z3lzO5bhAT6mh3 Y0nDW/2LaCievYsRtTpUR7QVy7vI3/YUitil7xnDexWPgQwY3wJ6aM3l/sbnlWQ1cz QNsGmsBIlI7xAtS/CvjBg0MlsxVq5U+yEAuaYZNC3/jWFTlFpd6GfIhAwgCvzjaN9k mQX9FI9Fx+nv4UJGSh/13rkQnIwvmdFNjSd1JUGHNz+qwIfXEMwBzdsrgny8GIvAoJ mnZRLfoDrklvQpyF4oyCMRF0mKHrAKvo2SKrkvxgp/+0qJC7XvnXI5AeJNepYDIXHi 48js7fl3FI4/w== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.41.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 492D21203CF; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:36 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83y2ftg4hm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:55:01 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264509 Archived-At: > My preference is to not add to auto-mode-alist at all if the user > didn't say-so. But if you prefer reverting the changeset, I don't > mind that, either. I still don't quite understand why Stefan thought > this variable was so ugly that it had to go. (More generally, > aesthetics issues very seldom if ever justify backward-incompatible > changes, IMO.) The problem was not with the variable, it was with defining functions conditionally. I didn't think about the `auto-mode-alist` part, mostly because it doesn't appear syntactically in the code (it's "hidden" in one of the args to `define-generic-mode`). The variable was just the poor messenger ;-) Stefan