From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : indentation Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:23:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20210427090348.67C9B5D0@centrum.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31853"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 27 22:24:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lbUFX-00081M-LV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:24:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43900 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lbUFW-0007Kp-OS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lbUEl-0007IC-MG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:23:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:43262) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lbUEi-0007Mo-OD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:23:14 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 038B18081F; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9EDD68056C; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1619554989; bh=F9l28TFP7rsC6dD2xnjZ85NJdw0Azr5bqMkXbgleS1w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=XG702rhAlPhapKSXD6Pm1Jc0V0ajgQoqF5JgH8StVzrva5mPnOrhwfZVk2R6iiGO3 zQwIar77lU3/rMITKk22vuhmaKIzycdupaCqfNDvJNYeOAQJAw8HHawFVQK1m33mhz ig42hIdgSFChSOKLP5Yx3hIZ0JWA5ws+ygbdnNZjWg6NOZUM+cRavK1tU7hy4c5JBo J/e+2tGuRnIDH/v/TmlnWMu1gPxBUZ9fBWNRa4PmIlxKUDO3ZRT9FYAkpHlr8pzix3 aJY1VF6NNVx4I3XdIz752m40nCt5QUjWSGTwRm5NKYuK5Ccjt5sOXE7YDonpMbK6zC CyrVn0qZOLV5g== Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 929591201CF; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:54:23 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:129177 Archived-At: >> I know full well that it disagrees with some users, but >> there has been surprisingly few complaints over this change, > It's easy enough to turn it off - that's the point. The > default doesn't matter a lot. But to say that few people > complained about the change is wrong - misleading, IMHO. AFAIK there are 3 types of users: those who want it ON, those who want it OFF and those who don't care. I'm not sure how those are spread statistically, but the number of complaints I've seen since the feature was turned ON suggests that the first type is a small minority. > Just turn it off by default and Bob's your uncle, if you > don't want electric indenting by default. That's the > answer for Petr. Yes, like I do for many other Emacs features that are enabled by default ;-) Stefan