From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 09:26:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lf4dnk0z.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39020"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 04 15:27:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMVhm-0009us-6d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 15:27:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45006 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMVhk-0004uc-2b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 09:27:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51504) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMVge-00046y-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 09:26:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:39315) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMVgb-0008Ff-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 09:26:23 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 51C1B4402F2; Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7296B440544; Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1630761976; bh=69pkvTN0xD9sKQUGNxkDUdO0fFo92V2HK7a3mG4I0F4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KJ3hqhbrDuI2HtbtbAFdleoMe0qi1L0XT9R8FAyrBzLsjGf/cv6lkpBo0DgoGpFUs 43G7hRzs2llnksZJDJoL/SGNoTB9ATXZDgmwXbkKQI80ZPV1YtbvhT6Z5a1ja3HPyj VBTgbiISUlMYlLn9s21Yw0YLHSCw7YSJEvVuT+Sj8eZEYOKIvJQHx2XX5jDeok5x6/ TNqdsRooWfuWilXBBKf7TftEfF6iYgNn4aBth0nkcp0AqXM6UXoLxYREVikES5MJHs VH1SrEjDoeFu3lv/RhWIpaqZ1KR6u5Tjj6T+aEgp36wnOKh3rbdpJxip1HShI5JQn/ 3wmXR/54KixCQ== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [104.247.244.135]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46774120264; Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87lf4dnk0z.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:00:07 +1000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273865 Archived-At: > This would probably be a good candidate for the profiles idea. FWIW, binding `kill-region` to `C-x` (and `copy-region-as-kill` to `C-c`) is a hard problem in Emacs. `cua-mode` tackles it in a pragmatic way, and it's pretty good at it, but it comes with enough caveats that I don't think it's a satisfactory solution. If people are serious about trying to make Emacs easier for newcomers accustomed to other tools, I think it might be worth developing a package which starts with those C-` bindings and works its way to create a complete new set of keybindings. It's a work comparable to what is done for god-mode, Evil, etc... where you'll need to have ad-hoc tweaks for many (most?all?) modes. So it's a long-term maintenance challenge. I keep wishing someone came up with a clever way for modes to specify their key-bindings in such a way that Emacs can automatically derive from it the keys to use "normally" as well as the keys to use in Evil or the keys to use in god-mode, or the keys to use in this hypothetical new `really-cua-mode`, ... So as to finally address this long-term maintenance challenge. Stefan