From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: send-mail-function / mailclient Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1232427183 691 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2009 04:53:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: David Reitter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 20 05:54:16 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LP8ct-00047r-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:54:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43847 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LP8bc-0004o7-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LP8bX-0004mg-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LP8bX-0004mE-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45577 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LP8bX-0004m3-1f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:47 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:55410) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LP8bW-0000oD-MD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:46 -0500 Original-Received: from alfajor.home (vpn-132-204-232-174.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.174]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n0K4qfMg028318; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:41 -0500 Original-Received: by alfajor.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E73721C167; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:52:40 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (David Reitter's message of "Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:14:55 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3192=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108004 Archived-At: > Back when we introduced mailclient.el, we used it as default for OS X, > because there, the built-in postfix mail sending function did not work > right and led to e-mail being swallowed. In recent OS X versions, this has > been fixed. Postfix is started on demand without the need for > user configuration. Even if Postfix works differently now, the problem is not solved. It's just that it works now "just as poorly as under most GNU/Linux systems". > On the downside, I find that sending mail Postfix-style does not work as > well as it used to, due to crippled mail servers that refuse to accept mail > from dynamic IP ranges (i.e. home broadband) as a spam- > defense. Yes, that's the problem. Nowadays, "systems" are basically not allowed to email any more, only "users". So using `postfix' (which is not under the control of a user. but only under the control of the system) doesn't cut it. Stefan