From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11948: 24.1.50; word-wrap should allow wrapping at all breaking space characters, not just space and tab Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <871ukbubbp.fsf@sc3d.org> <837gu3bsiq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342473431 7958 80.91.229.3 (16 Jul 2012 21:17:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11948@debbugs.gnu.org To: Reuben Thomas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 16 23:17:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SqsfG-0006UQ-8K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:17:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57099 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqsfF-0007ZJ-Cr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:17:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqsfD-0007YM-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:17:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqsfC-00028A-B0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqsfC-00027t-7Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqskw-0006JH-50 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:23:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11948.134247376524232 (code B ref 11948); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2012 21:22:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44743 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqske-0006Im-T3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:22:45 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:40508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqskc-0006If-Dl for 11948@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6GLGhon014045; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:16:44 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 77A86AE2FE; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:16:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:40:45 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4281=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4281> : streams <785775> : uri <1166973> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:62005 Archived-At: >> I think the issue here is whether we want to "render" the text, or >> whether we want to show the file's content to the user. > Isn't whitespace-mode for showing the content, as far as spaces > are concerned? whitespace mode is good at showing where you have things like trailing-spaces, but other than anal retentive guys like us, nobody cares. OTOH many people (myself included) have wasted hours tracking bugs where some chunk of code contained some weird char like a NBSP that displayed exactly like a normal space but isn't parsed the same way. For similar reasons, we don't treat ~ in TeX as whitespace: while its rendering will display as whitespace its meaning in the source code is non-trivial. I'm aware that neither ~ in TeX nor NBSP are quite the same as the problem at hand, but there is still the same general issue of distinguishing the specification from its rendering and when editing a file in Emacs you often what to see what the file specifies more than what it will render to (which you'll want to see maybe elsewhere such as in a browser). Stefan