From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13602: 24.3.50; remove bindings for `icomplete-minibuffer-map' - make a separate mode Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <65EEA895D8A0443A859A780AB233146E@us.oracle.com> <625A327B282C4C279837A7542B76E5C8@us.oracle.com> <87zjzk112u.fsf@gmail.com> <20DF11E25EE542A1A334DA1FDB79F77B@us.oracle.com> <87bobz7ajl.fsf@gmail.com> <87bobys6yc.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87wquluiks.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87txpon5mk.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9rgo959.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1360246671 12248 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2013 14:17:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13602@debbugs.gnu.org, Jambunathan K To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 15:18:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SIk-00053j-OB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 15:18:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34796 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SIR-0000nQ-UO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:17:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43581) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SIL-0000mr-Qa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:17:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SIG-0006bF-Mp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:17:45 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35554) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SIG-0006b3-Jt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:17:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SJZ-0006vY-VN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:19:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13602 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13602-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13602.136024673626614 (code B ref 13602); Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13602) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2013 14:18:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41018 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SJU-0006vD-Eg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:18:56 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:19086) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3SJT-0006v7-4o for 13602@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:18:55 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFpZnt/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFpZnt/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="675595" Original-Received: from 69-165-153-237.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.153.237]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 07 Feb 2013 09:17:32 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 10972592BB; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:17:32 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87a9rgo959.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:50:10 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:70810 Archived-At: > Does this mean that other users of `icomplete-mode' like me disabled > `icomplete-mode' in their .emacs after it began overriding Isearch keys, > so this feature remained untested and the bug remained unnoticed > for the long time (2 months)? I don't think so: the commands work(ed) in "most" cases. > I won't be surprised if this is the real reason, because traditional > Isearch C-s and C-r is useful in the minibuffer. I suspect most users of icomplete who didn't follow the emacs-devel list just didn't notice the change because they never/rarely use C-s and C-r in the minibuffer. > Let's face the root of the problem: abusing C-s and C-r keys in ido was > a poor choice in the first place that paved the road to future conflicts. I don't know if it was a poor choice, given that IDO tends to move away from the idea that the minibuffer is just a normal buffer with normal editing commands. > I see that ido.el mentions the right and left arrow keys. > Could they be used with some modifiers? I think it's a good idea to try and use something else than C-s C-r, since admittedly they collide with existing usage. But the problem is indeed to find other bindings. We could use arrows with modifiers: by default, M-left and C-left do the same thing, so we could use either C-left/C-right or M-left/M-right. Another option that stays closer to IDO (and to home row) is M-s and M-r (M-r's move-to-window-line-top-bottom is fairly useless in the minibuffer, but M-s is normally a prefix key for search commands, so it's not ideal, tho it's less severe than overriding C-s). Stefan