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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: DSO-style FFI
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:08:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtxgdb8yl.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eh7iogcv.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:31:28 -0400")

SM> This is a fundamental property of anything that lets gives access to
SM> "any" library.  DSO or FFI is in the same boat.  IOW, if we really
SM> consider it as too dangerous, then we can't provide anything related to
SM> an FFI or dynamic loading of code.
> This is where package signing becomes important.

More or less.  I mean, yes, it's annoying when Emacs crashes, but in
terms of security, being able to run arbitrary C code is not really
worse than being able to run arbitrary Elisp code, and in terms of
reliability, Elisp code can also render your Emacs unusable (without
crashing it).

SM> Presumably we can prevent it by checking (before loading the library)
SM> that the library is compatible with the GPL (following the scheme
SM> designed originally for gcc).
> This can be declared by the author in the packaging.  Do we need to spend
> time on an elaborate scheme that can be trivially subverted?  Or are
> there other concerns I'm not getting?

As someone else explained, the issue is not whether subverting it is
hard, but rather whether subverting it must be done in a blatant-enough
way that it makes a difference, from a legal point of view (e.g. it
turns into fraud, rather than mere copyright violation).


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-19 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-06  9:15 GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1 Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-06  9:58 ` bignum support in Emacs with libgmp (was: GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1) Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-06 16:09 ` GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1 Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-06 21:07   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-06 16:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-06 16:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-06 21:19   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-07  4:02     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-07 11:41       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-07 22:03         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-07 22:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-07 23:43             ` Emacs crypto use cases (was: GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1) Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-08  3:02               ` Emacs crypto use cases Stefan Monnier
2013-10-08 10:33                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-08 13:17                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-08 16:35                   ` DSO-style FFI (was: Emacs crypto use cases) Stefan Monnier
2013-10-08 17:32                     ` DSO-style FFI Tom Tromey
2013-10-08 19:42                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-08 20:43                         ` Tom Tromey
2013-10-09 23:21                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-10  8:09                             ` Andreas Schwab
2013-10-08 20:47                         ` Davis Herring
2013-10-09 22:26                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-09 23:52                             ` Davis Herring
2013-10-10  1:25                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-10  4:36                                 ` DSO-style DSOs (this is NOT an FFI!) Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-09  1:48                       ` DSO-style FFI Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-09  2:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 15:34                         ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-10-12 18:55                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 13:31                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-19 14:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 15:08                               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2013-10-19 17:33                               ` Andy Moreton
2013-10-19 19:44                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-12 23:36                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-08 19:50                     ` Ted Zlatanov

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