From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for Windows Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874mvcc1jh.fsf@gmail.com> <83d2a0bfwu.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4so9jjy.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbns9d5j.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412962440 31847 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2014 17:34:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:34:00 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 10 19:33:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xce4e-0006uA-Om for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50114 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xce4e-0000i7-Di for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56392) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xce4N-0000gs-95 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:33:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xce4F-0004Om-Qn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xce4F-0004Oi-LF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:33:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xce4D-0006iz-Sf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:25 +0200 Original-Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.196.168.232]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:25 +0200 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CS5t8Aa2bNldewse5yhLT7T60pM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100385 Archived-At: > Like I said, I'm not aware of such a beast. Some projects have their > own facilities, specific to the project (Cygwin and MinGW each have > such thing), but they are incompatible and cannot read each other's > metadata. To say nothing of the fact that they are only good for > ports that are offered by the respective projects, and so are useless > for 3rd-party ports. Incompatibility between systems is mostly unavoidable. And "they only support the package they offer" is also largely unavoidable. I'm surprised nobody has tried to solve this problem: contact all the people who work(ed) on related projects (mingw, gnuwin32, chocolatey, wpkg, you name it; cygwin is probably out because it works within a slightly different domain and is already "the name of the game" within its own domain) and try to come up with a plan to consolidate them into a single system. I mean, distribution via zip files is so painful for the user who has to figure out on his own how to upgrade from one version to another, plus all the dependencies, etc... How do people live with that? Oh well, I guess it's good: it motivates users to try another OS, Stefan