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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
Cc: 18784@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#18784: Coultdn't compile emacs-24.4
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:29:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtwxk6679.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21767.14136.316805.481531@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> (Ulrich Mueller's message of "Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:04:08 +0100")

> There is a long history of Emacs catching up with kernel hardening
> in this area. It started with setting ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE via Linux
> personality(2), then setting the NORANDEXEC flag with paxctl(1) or
> setfattr(1). Now it seems that we need -nopie in addition.

But what does "-nopie" mean?  IIUC it means "do not generate PIE code",
so it is a "double-level workaround": not only it doesn't directly fix the
problem we have with randomization but it doesn't directly disable
randomization either.

If OTOH "-nopie" means "indicate that the code should not be relocated
even if it looks like it's position independent", then it's only
a "single-level workaround", like the ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE and friends.

> My impression is that these are all workarounds that don't address the
> real issue.

AFAIK the only way to address directly the underlying issue is to use
a portable dumper.  Until then we'll have to consider address
randomization as plain bugs that we need to fix with things like
ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE.


        Stefan "who doesn't really believe in such hardening"





  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-16 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-21 11:52 bug#18784: Coultdn't compile emacs-24.4 Gangræna Gorgeous
2014-10-21 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-21 15:49   ` David Engster
2015-03-13 19:54 ` Glenn Morris
2015-03-13 20:43   ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-03-13 21:09     ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-03-13 23:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-16  9:16         ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-03-16 13:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-16 16:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-16 18:19               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-16 18:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-16 19:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-16 19:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-16 20:04                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-03-16 20:29                         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-03-29 12:19                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-04-03 11:45                             ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-03-16 16:26             ` Ulrich Mueller

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