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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A protest against pcase, pcase-let, pcase-let*
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 09:53:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtwx02cqr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k2xw12d4.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (Nic Ferrier's message of "Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:04:23 +0100")

> There are much better, more lisp idiomatic, libs for doing pattern
> matching which pcase should give way to imo.

> Shadchen for example.

I don't see much difference.  AFAICT if there's a particular pattern of
shadchen you like, you/we can add it to pcase with `pcase-defmacro' and
IIUC both sets of patterns are perfectly compatible (and very similar
in spirit).
You can also add any of pcase's patterns to shadchen via its
defpattern construct, AFAICT).

It differs in implementation technique, tho, since AFAICT in shadchen

   (match X
     ((cons 1 a) (foo1))
     ((cons 2 a) (foo2)))

will tests `listp' twice and will extract the car of X twice (i.e. it
does not optimize the second branch based on the knowledge of how the
first branch's pattern failed to match).

I guess the main difference you'll see is that shadchen supports
backquote via `bq' and `uq' rather than via ` and , so

   (pcase X
     (`(1 . ,a) (foo1))
     (`(2 . ,a) (foo2)))

turns into

   (match X
    ((bq (1 (uq a))) (foo1))
    ((bq (2 (uq a))) (foo2)))

which is so hideous that noone will ever use it.  IIUC you don't like
the backquote syntax in patterns, so shadchen making it even more
hideous than it already is suits you better.


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-01 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-31 18:00 A protest against pcase, pcase-let, pcase-let* Alan Mackenzie
2015-03-31 18:29 ` John Wiegley
2015-04-18  1:47   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-03-31 19:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-01  7:46   ` Daniel Colascione
2015-04-01  9:59 ` Phillip Lord
2015-04-01 12:04   ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-01 12:16     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-01 13:53     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-04-02  7:19   ` Richard Stallman

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