From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19468: 25.0.50; UI inconveniences with M-. Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83zja6b3tc.fsf@gnu.org> <54A24079.4020902@yandex.ru> <54A2FF47.6010207@yandex.ru> <54A86135.7080004@yandex.ru> <54A90002.7080009@gmx.at> <54A9C3FB.7000602@yandex.ru> <54AA3881.3080304@gmx.at> <54ABBB47.7010603@yandex.ru> <837fszx7iy.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp6pwqnw.fsf@gnu.org> <83lhhdwfft.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430171355 12454 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2015 21:49:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, 19468@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 23:49:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqte-0006WC-IW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:48:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqtd-0003rN-LR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmqtY-0003rE-81 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:48:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqnv-00063y-C9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqnv-00063s-8W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqnu-0004CB-Un for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:43:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19468 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19468-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19468.143017097316111 (code B ref 19468); Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19468) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2015 21:42:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41648 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqnl-0004Bn-AX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:42:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:47292) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymqnj-0004Bf-5d for 19468@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:42:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t3RLgnRu029207; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1DBB71E3F; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:42:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83lhhdwfft.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:15:34 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5289=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5289> : inlines <2804> : streams <1429656> : uri <1917065> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102118 Archived-At: >> BTW, w.r.t the use of etags, what do you think of the patch below, which >> lets the elisp-xref functionality fallback on etags for functions/vars >> that aren't currently bound? > What's it supposed to do? Let you find the definition of a function that's not defined yet, thanks to the use of the TAGS database. > Anyway, I once again think that if we will mostly "fall back on etags" > every time the new back-ends are somehow imperfect, then what exactly > did we gain with this move? I just suggest it to cover those cases where the user likes the old etags behavior. I personally preferred using C-h f until now over etags's M-. because it was more reliable, so I find the new M-. to be a good change and don't need to fallback to etags's backend. > ... I won't mind this alternative, either, although we don't have too > many keys left to use for those other commands. They don't have to be single-key bindings. Stefan