From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21423: 24.5; (package-initialize) added to init.el without (setq package-enable-at-startup nil) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <55EC1CF4.60006@orcon.net.nz> <55EC1F21.8080702@orcon.net.nz> <55EC3F9D.6080800@orcon.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441578865 23388 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2015 22:34:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Phil Sainty , 21423@debbugs.gnu.org To: Artur Malabarba Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 00:34:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVm-0007pI-PK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 00:34:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51062 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVm-0007WG-7U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:34:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34023) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVj-0007Vs-GH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:34:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVe-00020I-Hl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:34:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:58776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVe-00020E-FK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVe-0001U0-Au for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:34:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 22:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21423 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21423-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21423.14415788295680 (code B ref 21423); Sun, 06 Sep 2015 22:34:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21423) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2015 22:33:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50986 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVR-0001TX-FB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:33:49 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:27342) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYiVP-0001TP-Ln for 21423@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:33:48 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CtCwA731xV/xGkpUVcgxCEAsEMCYdLBAICgTw5FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQMBViMFCwsOJgcLFBgNJC2ICgjPIwEBAQcBAQEBHos6hQUHhC0BBJluBZlMgUUjggocFYFZIoJ4AQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0CtCwA731xV/xGkpUVcgxCEAsEMCYdLBAICgTw5FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQMBViMFCwsOJgcLFBgNJC2ICgjPIwEBAQcBAQEBHos6hQUHhC0BBJluBZlMgUUjggocFYFZIoJ4AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="162693782" Original-Received: from 69-165-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([69.165.164.17]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 06 Sep 2015 18:33:47 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B32B4AE042; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 18:33:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Artur Malabarba's message of "Sun, 6 Sep 2015 16:21:32 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106199 Archived-At: >> That said, this change would seem to be an issue for anyone who is >> performing a partial initialisation in their init file (for specific >> packages), and then depending on the default initialisation to deal >> with the remainder, post-init. >> >> I can only imagine that's a very small proportion of users indeed, >> but I presume the scenario ought to be considered (even if only for >> the purposes of documenting it in NEWS). > Yes, they'll have to add (setq package-enable-at-startup t) after > calling initialize. That should definitely go in the NEWS. I have a hard time imagining many users doing that. As a user, if I'm picky enough to try and do a partial initialization in my init file, I'll probably also want to do the final full initialization explicitly in my init file. Stefan