From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 4449301: * etc/NEWS: Improve documentation of 'package-initialize'. Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20191022021600.2389.91268@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20191022021602.B41B3209DE@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="179593"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 23 14:50:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iNG5e-000kXX-JG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:50:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35172 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iNG5d-0000yB-Bj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:50:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38092) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iNG5K-0000uu-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iNG5J-0000y0-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:21728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iNG5J-0000rz-6N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 17463449333; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 0B5444492F8; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1571834990; bh=J/Yf4VxVKpytAu4763CVV246Yeazz8/6mIxbhmav4Ok=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=VUL9LATPVuL5rSIxfEA6Y7TefZWXCb3RnL49A23gF1fBjp0u+mQ6B2JbFDzlTtW4f lTswBDKGgrsfN3a7Sg31Zi2yhx6k1rxhQcC6PA1/JXrWor7i1YCS87WanOUhHf+dMT orisTz4TW7xlRwSEDa5tAI4SwbbO3xFXDcSFlGCh7aIS4QrUu8zNalI4jSGSf1xZHF i++4h3xRMaSUNQlBbGtlNcw126eteue78pUnZjE5YZdS2+9GpVGSQtRTQvELMQ4+Mb w6RMVtfKiTh3/gGNNNFSKkNbFWdlF+iCwtEoJIuhc2wmW5McDQUwO2027YZsXcsTbu HDN79V/+Ldkqw== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [216.154.30.71]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61234120F45; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:49:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:12:11 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241358 Archived-At: > It is a defcustom (a user option), but: > 1. It's ineffective when set from the custom interface, since it has > to be in the early init file. Right? I guess it can still be effective if you load your custom-file from early-init.el, but indeed it's rather unlikely to be effective in Emacs=E2=89=A527. > 2. It is a user option, but gets set automatically by > package-initialize. This makes it a bit confusing, because > describe-variable says: Indeed, and this problem already existed before. > Would this be better as a defvar instead? I think you're right. Stefan