From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <877dfavmzw.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11541"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 21 14:33:21 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mSexd-0002qV-OB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 14:33:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52016 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSexb-00056m-O7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:33:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSewe-0004N5-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:33459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSew4-0002tw-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id ECAF580580; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9628A808E3; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:31:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1632227500; bh=2Ry0APrDwJlrEi5Ha0rsOlQ1bTLCHEms9pFvJj8Lx+Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=QbmEBKp06d+/uq9ADSrplHLrMVYyclRPL72HvW5JyU2/VvRbOtPY/9GJzDY+On85/ NR0Bt65dEMtmv7KIn+Q3WE8QANpdv3Eh/kU7qfU/WZfL+4muh6YOK/m8BQESdsF8rY AJlTg/3/Qy4j2x3kQFVQbTKdWIa3jkBdXqsTuUGsdF0WO68XyzT50n3s5ZUnktsvjO jy38WjNoQXxia2V56yElwCfgJG4Lu4uEi3y6lVhGoJkhCduS97u9Y9GTUrBA9+Ycib AHofgThMnv09uLcO9+FUbZVOHnmm2+kbJZqGVf+EbCmRPvVEGUigtYiYjUrPRTee2Q C026eBB4ypp2Q== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [45.72.241.23]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 337471202FA; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:31:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <877dfavmzw.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Mon, 20 Sep 2021 23:35:47 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275219 Archived-At: > By its very nature it is an intrusive package, as it defines functions, > macros and advice outside of the "namespace", but I don't see any way > around that if transparent compatibility is to be provided (anything > else would just replicate dash, s, f, ...). I think this uncleanliness is a bit risky. Better put the definitions in their own namespace. I don't think "transparent compatibility" is worth the trouble here, and I don't think `s`, `f`, ... solve the same problem. Stefan