From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving kbd to subr.el Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83k0iflsze.fsf@gnu.org> <874k9jzu7a.fsf@gnus.org> <874k9juy0r.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtnbtimj.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnmd13ny.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfx10xs6.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dfpjn3.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e94178d73e5f05@heytings.org> <87czo3pgs1.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e9412d60db82df@heytings.org> <87o87moopl.fsf@gnus.org> <19fca5d18b63e6eff5de@heytings.org> <87wnmaiida.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgr6gw9s.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33904"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Gregory Heytings , Emacs developers To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 18 18:37:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mcVdn-0008Wo-V8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:37:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58666 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcVdm-0006Kz-PB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcVbG-0004Cb-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:34:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:47729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcVbD-0000DS-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:34:57 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 685FF10008C; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E04CF100312; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:34:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1634574889; bh=cXj1ET3pTTVomzSypbS2OO4lPYUno6m8SGzy1sEKbqQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=gvILEH3+kyF68GU4ZoaLL4f/fxqLqw/BYE506AXI0cbF4OL1ZZNLAYzA6G89hyITZ XwnGE5Q9UC+qvsdcxMRyNgUlClcXOhzVoZOhCHYEHIgF9zpxccs3tOxIAoAZZvKJKj 2IFI1zBqifSfAs3uqrhzxt8i4fiB93EJz6tVX+7/wj/JsoUcBHNH0n0D3Dgg4uzkJo 8xfhKpAQA3iCfz7aKSIcJ8OfCY+Eukud3AK+66KytZJH/Ot6Axh+pZNKuD0YL8b2YK 6QZLoL/WY2qycUe9z1XTwADKp4IskR8qSLYZqFsOAdGeYs6BXNhZp0mHYruhuI2hwW tL4LMTxdKZL0g== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99533120328; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:34:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87zgr6gw9s.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:58:23 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277305 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-10-18 17:58:23] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> Indeed, it seems if the plan is to promote the `kbd` syntax (which >> seems to be what we're doing, both by making `kbd` usable in preloaded >> code, or by adding the ["..."] alternative syntax for it), then it makes >> sense for `define-keymap` to interpret all strings as `kbd` syntax >> (i.e. not support the old string syntax at all). > We could indeed, but I don't want to have different syntaxes in > different functions. It'd suck if you can't lift a key definition from > `define-keymap' and use it in `local-set-key'. Then I suggest not to support strings at all in `define-keymap`. The old string syntax for keys just sucks and we should work towards its reduction, even if it will stay with us for the foreseeable future. Stefan