From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Allow controlling the effect of visibility on buffer switching Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a6fi3lrl.fsf@gmail.com> <83a6fihbeb.fsf@gnu.org> <877dam38zr.fsf@gmail.com> <8335lah77y.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtjf0ypz.fsf@gmail.com> <87y22yhogr.fsf@yahoo.com> <838ruxbu7u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28562"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, thuna.cing@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 30 17:10:41 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nECmm-0007FI-RY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:10:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52388 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nECml-00058l-A5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:10:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43074) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nEClI-0004OI-23 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:09:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:45454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nEClE-0000Ce-RB; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:09:06 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B696D442AF7; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 76717442AE1; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:09:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1643558940; bh=NxmT7Hzv671RR/JZMKmzu4WXdpqCRC73C7oUfCnC5lU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=IZ1SuoY2SSWxMwHgdEniKM8XPXMWkOnHv/cXusEZtJ7i4oqy0ViUn/Bnb9+g2mD+x eUAgZpHc29Ztx6KAVHQtHJW57fKxaWB7/Gd/CnJN7Mbn/P48YB9PO8Mem9zHzG662o ETIT5D6yT0RIseuPe9qPxZjDdP6wVwn8O/tZumik3Jz4ccuE0BcbGCEYxtTjGWXISf mBMvDT59zN18BOeuKJ7yUCwIntaaM35e2zdDYXQWiXlxSKSKJZsel+N0CLZVaG++CJ A/ZFcsJJYraNdAmFh312VVI7iXI/F5jWftScHFZyAQuH7SyLG73wfyu3tPHTtN2Ta6 z5M8RIW9e9g1A== Original-Received: from pastel (76-10-138-212.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.138.212]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 489591206E5; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:09:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <838ruxbu7u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2022 08:42:13 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:285612 Archived-At: >> I think this discussion would benefit from a more constructive argument >> than habit. Can you describe use cases where `C-x b`s current default >> is indeed the one the user wants yet it is not the last buffer (because >> the last buffer is already visible elsewhere)? > > I can: when I mistakenly display (or cause Emacs to display) a buffer > in the wrong window/frame. Then the fix is: > > . C-x b RET > . go to the "correct" window/frame > . C-x b RET Hmm... I don't understand why you think this is an example: the first `C-x b` will only be guaranteed to do what you intended if `C-x b` chooses "the latest buffer" rather than "the latest buffer that's not visible", so it seems to be an argument in favor of the proposed change. What am I missing? Stefan