From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release? Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bk4ql3u5.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <864jagu9ji.fsf@gnu.org> <878qzspd9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87y17rag37.fsf@yahoo.com> <87le3r9yyk.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31224"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Tassilo Horn , Arash Esbati , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 30 17:03:54 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sChJq-0007rE-0b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 17:03:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sChIl-0003IZ-Pw; Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sChIj-0003ID-MH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sChIh-0003uk-Mw; Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:45 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AA8D18062B; Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1717081359; bh=jUkAuxsUYH8oMl0czAK8maaWCPepjKkLo45N/pf97uQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=TO13FExA8/v/aIrZZfLlTQQTCpAFxBczuft6+HbXtr6lQCeyrDRNe/Ou+veDMwCCX sTkpGetayfJD9gLi70XBSBSHejn9ailgEKlO192P37+pDuxGH7k2+owCJTerT+e1HY 1z4Zdlpb+rmCv5OptCRiSwlE4epcbD5tGoer+lhEN+ptxLjnaBk4CXtkkjSsEFIF2O 3EOYw/I08b5drQrnfz7sK08r+SRWrSa7AczX6n0SdlrGxLNzdTxOApiSBkw1d8a9CN 2aK7b8tsvzQ4KXO5IpeFyFciksBYYdlyEFySqnBlb/WLyIUovjJnybSm+V3TX/6xVh VfD6vHNvcn2+A== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A1FA0808A4; Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [24.140.236.196]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AA9812044D; Thu, 30 May 2024 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87le3r9yyk.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 30 May 2024 22:05:55 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319753 Archived-At: > That qualification is where I must disagree. I think the correct > criterion is whether Emacs developers will _ever_ have occasion to edit > or use these packages, for otherwise applying even minuscule changes or > running an Emacs built from the repository will become needlessly > involved. Is the pain of N years' worth of manual synchronization with upstream development worth the gain N years later when you finally need to make that minuscule change? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Stefan