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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: will we ever have zero width assertions in regexps?
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:08:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsjw99iac.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnik9550.1ae.nospam-abuse@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu

>> A typical case could look something like "foo *(.*?) *bar". when
>> matching "foo ..<many space>.. baZ".

> No, this is a polynomial-time problem.  My optimization does nothing
> for such cases.  And I do not think such a REx would provide any
> problem in real life - unless you have many hundreds of consecutive
> spaces.

Such problems tend to show up (in hard to fix ways that is) with regexps
that are built in pieces (e.g. by combining existing regexps like
comment-start-skip and paragraph-start or things like that).

And yes, these tend to work just fine in practice, which is why they end
up in real code, and then a couple years later someone complains that
Emacs freezes when he opens his funny file with some odd long line.

> (And unless Emacs' REx engine is particularly slow per OPCODE.)

Emacs's REx engine isn't particularly fast, I think, but I don't think
it's the problem.

> But I start to see the difference - it is in usage scenarios.

Probably.

> Many Perl REx matches are done "per-line", not "per-file".

That's one difference.  Another is that many regexps are used all the
time without the user explicitly asking for it, and on text which we
assume takes a particular shape, even though it may take a completely
different form (e.g. regexps used for the *compile* buffer).

> match-with-continuation.  An interesting idea.  I already implemented
> it for Perl (to support (??{}), but it is not exposed to the user.
> Would one want this in non-interactive situations?

I can't think of interactive uses, but I'd like to try and use it for
to let font-lock find elements that span several lines, even when it
works one-line-at-a-time.


        Stefan


  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-31 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1.1296054361.23496.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-26 15:58 ` will we ever have zero width assertions in regexps? Stefan Monnier
2011-01-27  1:45   ` Le Wang
     [not found]   ` <mailman.6.1296092730.6982.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-27  2:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-27  6:34       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-01-27 16:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 23:49           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-01-29  2:51             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-29 22:28               ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-01-31 16:08                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-01-31 17:10                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-01-31 21:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-02 15:09                       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-02-07 20:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 22:41                           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-01-26 14:55 Le Wang

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