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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Nix <nix@esperi.org.uk>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jeremiah Dodds <jeremiah.dodds@gmail.com>,
	Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Better startup error handling
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:16:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsjfndh49.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wr50uko3.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:04:44 +0100")

>> The way I see it, we should ideally be able to load the .emacs in such
>> a way that an error doesn't prevent the rest of the file from being
>> loaded, and the error should be clearly signaled to the user with some
>> kind of line-number information.
> Yes.  This presumably means some sort of evaluator hook to execute some
> code between each toplevel form, or wrap each top-level form in a
> condition-case -- reader macros would I think handle it, but elisp
> doesn't have those.

Another way to do it is to not use `load' but to find-file .emacs and
then eval-region chunk by chunk.

>> In my wildest dreams I also imagine that we'd check for obsolete vars,
>> hooks, and functions.  Maybe even give the same kind of feedback that
>> the byte-compiler gives about the code.
> Can't you do that trivially by loading .emacs into a temporary buffer in
> default.el, then byte-compiling it and throwing the results away?
> (In default.el because that way it picks up changes to the byte-compiler
> configuration that you may have made in .emacs.)

Kind of.

> Downsides: loads the byte-compiler even in sessions that don't need it,
> and notably inefficient.

Exactly: in theory it's straightforward, but doing it well will require
more work.  IIRC there are some other issues such as the fact that
.emacs code tends to be very different from typical code in Elisp
packages, and the kinds of things we want to flag aren't all the same
(some things are acceptable/normal/unavoidable in one but not in the
other).


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-28 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-25  0:24 proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Steve Yegge
2012-04-25  4:45 ` Karl Fogel
2012-04-25  6:28 ` Miles Bader
2012-04-25  6:34   ` Miles Bader
2012-04-25 13:21   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-01 22:01     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2012-04-25  7:53 ` Helmut Eller
2012-04-25  8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-25 14:28   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-25 14:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-25 15:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-25 16:41         ` Miles Bader
2012-04-25 16:45         ` Andreas Schwab
2012-04-25 16:46         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-04-26 21:20         ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-26 22:11           ` Miles Bader
2012-04-26 23:52             ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-27  0:29               ` Miles Bader
2012-04-27  3:20                 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-04-27  3:41                   ` Miles Bader
2012-04-27  3:59                     ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-04-27  4:24                       ` Miles Bader
2012-04-27  8:49                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-04-27 14:23                         ` Nix
2012-04-28  2:07                         ` Better startup error handling (was: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y) Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 12:04                           ` Better startup error handling Nix
2012-04-28 15:16                             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2012-04-28 15:42                               ` David Engster
2012-04-28 15:55                               ` Drew Adams
2012-04-28 19:39                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 17:26                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-30  8:43                           ` Christian Lynbech
2012-04-30  9:18                             ` chad
2012-04-27 16:35                   ` proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Richard Stallman
2012-04-27  1:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-27  1:16             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-27 16:35               ` Richard Stallman
2012-04-28 11:13                 ` Eli Barzilay
2012-04-28 17:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2012-04-28 19:48                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 21:56                     ` Eli Barzilay
2012-06-03  3:45                       ` Richard Stallman
2012-04-27  4:17             ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-27  6:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-27 19:05                 ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-27 21:24                   ` Drew Adams
2012-04-28  4:43                     ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-28  6:58                       ` Andreas Schwab
2012-04-29 21:26                   ` Odd formatting (was: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-30  7:48                     ` Odd formatting Steinar Bang
2012-04-30 10:14                       ` Antoine Levitt
2012-04-30 13:27                         ` Nix
2012-04-28  2:02               ` proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Stefan Monnier
2012-04-25 14:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-29 17:00 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-04-29 17:08   ` Drew Adams
2012-04-29 17:29     ` Andreas Röhler
2012-04-29 18:01       ` Drew Adams
2012-04-29 19:51       ` PJ Weisberg

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