From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12215: CSET is unnecessarily confusing Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <502D8A95.7060609@cs.ucla.edu> <5034511B.7010409@cs.ucla.edu> <50350A4C.5050103@cs.ucla.edu> <87fw7d3qan.fsf@gnu.org> <5037B7A6.5030202@cs.ucla.edu> <87zk5kjj4p.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <5037C3E4.9000704@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1345842815 16386 80.91.229.3 (24 Aug 2012 21:13:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom Tromey , Chong Yidong , 12215@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Antipov To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 24 23:13:35 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T51CA-0000jg-5j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:13:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58473 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T51C8-0004Mz-EI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52407) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T51C1-0004Mh-VR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T51C1-0001gi-1r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T51C0-0001gc-U9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T51Cc-000303-9w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:14:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12215 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 12215-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12215.134584279711467 (code B ref 12215); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2012 21:13:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T51Bs-0002yu-KT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:17 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:42623) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T51Bq-0002ym-KA for 12215@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7OLCRNK012671; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:12:27 -0400 Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5BDDBB40D5; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:12:27 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5037C3E4.9000704@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:11:48 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4320=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4320> : streams <805257> : uri <1201367> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:63463 Archived-At: > BVAR isn't needed right now. It may be if someone else resurrects the > other approach. It's unlikely I ever will. While it's not needed for the current concurrency branch, and I think this implementation is fine for a first effort at adding concurrency, I do believe that it will have to change in the longer term. > Thanks for the quick response. It seems that everybody here > (Tom, Dmitry, Chong, Stefan) is on board with reverting > the setter functions and accessor macros in the trunk. No. I'm actually quite happy keeping xVAR accessor macros (for let-bindable vars that will/may require special handling in a future concurrency implementation) and xSET setter macros (for let-bindable vars and/or for write barriers), to make it easier to experiment on branches. But I'd like those macros to have a shape that we can live with. Stefan