From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to cite the Emacs and Calc manuals? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87bnmnkpw4.fsf@debian.uxu> <87bnmmpv0t.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419860165 30186 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2014 13:36:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:36:05 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 29 14:35:58 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aUH-0004Es-Bp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:35:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33399 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aUG-0005yr-MI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:35:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aTs-0005xk-2i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:35:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aTn-000444-0I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:35:32 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aTm-00043x-Iu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:35:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aTk-0003v6-Hj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:35:24 +0100 Original-Received: from 69-165-141-1.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.141.1]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:35:24 +0100 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-165-141-1.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:35:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-165-141-1.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VO42sncypgwBclR0oxiBHWFiQWw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101752 Archived-At: > - what is the author? Usually the question is "who", but admittedly, the "what" is also an interesting question in this case. > It says on the first page: "This manual, also > written (mostly) by Dave Gillespie [...]" - so is it "Dave Gillespie" > or "Dave Gillespie et al." or what? I think for Calc, "Dave Gillespie et al." would be fine, yes. For the Emacs manual, OTOH, the authorship is a lot more diluted. I guess you could opt for "Richard Stallman et al." and there wouldn't be too many objections. > - what is the year of publication? It says on the first page: > "Copyright (C) 1990-1991, 2001-2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc." - > so is it 2013? Pick the version Emacs whose manual you want to cite, then use the release date of that version as the date of publication. > - what is the publisher? I guess FSF, but they don't have it in their > dead trees web page shop. Yes, the publisher is the FSF, regardless if they only publish it electronically. > - not to mention the place of publishing (usually it's the name of a > city). You can probably leave this blank. If you really insist on choosing a place, Boston would make some kind of sense. Stefan