From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [nongnu] main f4166f428a: * elpa-packages (emacsql): New package. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301463 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas [2022-12-13 10:52:38] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> To me this looks completely ridiculous: why split this into N packages, >> when each one is tiny anyway. > The reason I did it like that is only that it was the path of least > resistance: it replicates what is currently there on MELPA. This > matters because other packages depend on the existence of e.g. the > `emacsql-sqlite' package.[1] But none of the packages in (Non)GNU ELPA depend on emacsql-, so we don't really need to abide by the Melpa packaging. I know I'm biased against such subpackages, but I'm really failing to see the benefit of this particular split, so I think we should rectify this in NonGNU ELPA rather than reproduce the Melpa structure for its own sake. > If we want to add those packages as is, and have them installable, > their dependencies must also be in NonGNU ELPA. I expect that can be changed when needed. >> Let's stop the madness and make it a single package. >> Nobody (neither we, nor the users) benefits from having such tiny packages. > I see three options here: > 1. We could make transitional packages on NonGNU ELPA that just depend > on `emacsql'. > 2. We can change the packages to be transitional on MELPA, too. > 3. We can make _only_ the existing packages on MELPA transitional. I don't have any control over Melpa, so I can't choose 2 or 3, but I don't see any need for those transitional packages in NonGNU ELPA. Stefan