From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83o7rexe2n.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6x5xym7.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6wr6gmz.fsf@gnu.org> <868ri140sr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fsc92gbz.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz6ccagy.fsf@gnu.org> <838rgzaqmj.fsf@gnu.org> <7bad77ae-a176-d49b-5115-dbadf7e6d1bc@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2804"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , juri@linkov.net, casouri@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lynn Winebarger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 16 03:57:43 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pSUSs-0000Y8-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 03:57:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSURx-0002sQ-MH; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSURw-0002sA-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSURu-0001J8-3A; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:43 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2CBD81000DC; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:40 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4E1201000C4; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1676516194; bh=bswzsKxo6YjFYjXTQpF9H9zjaIgcPb1K27MS1OplzlA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Nw6AY5KZ5RfNzZejhQzT7ArIqV3MzEPiuKrCRTjBE7KlTjPHz75yXbx12PXqUuGlL HWek+SUstwrFH59tJkNDnFd23Vul8z29c+v+eLJWZsrFgiSeHGIAlcG2S+qZrIbS5M FCugrxA5RtKwo/4KcQ1oyuGFM+FymwhQmPPR9mUNl8ChbhKLsJA98pOyeAgtYUnDJK MYJZi7gCJBrEjV2IuYAGvO6C2i4fE71srr2fABJlqRmqZvOHnlvyo0ZbotRjTVkwHH A9ttxvO9RbQ7v+hr4SvDUIRKNP6I+2dByKHDDZCAb2Pn5ASED1HZ4L/Jwp1hlLRn/D gaIFTNLfyjR5w== Original-Received: from pastel (104-222-113-2.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.113.2]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E389D1231CF; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:56:33 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Lynn Winebarger's message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:48:50 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303359 Archived-At: Lynn Winebarger [2023-02-15 18:48:50] wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 2:27 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: >> We should never recommend (require ) as a way to change Emacs's >> behavior, since it directly conflicts with our convention that loading >> a file should not significantly alter Emacs's behavior. > > As someone who preloads the (elisp) world, I'd love to see this maxim > enshrined somewhere. It's in doc/lispref/tips.texi: @section Emacs Lisp Coding Conventions @cindex coding conventions in Emacs Lisp Here are conventions that you should follow when writing Emacs Lisp code intended for widespread use: @itemize @bullet @item Simply loading a package should not change Emacs's editing behavior. Include a command or commands to enable and disable the feature, or to invoke it. This convention is mandatory for any file that includes custom definitions. If fixing such a file to follow this convention requires an incompatible change, go ahead and make the incompatible change; don't postpone it. -- Stefan