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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	65017@debbugs.gnu.org,
	Eric Marsden <eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org>
Subject: bug#65017: 29.1; Byte compiler interaction with cl-lib function objects, removes symbol-function
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 22:33:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsf8uxob0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DBB81517-794F-403B-8F2A-9AD40B073E11@gmail.com> ("Mattias Engdegård"'s message of "Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:47:15 +0200")

>>> Separate data structures for locations might be an option worth exploring,
>>> keeping the actual s-expressions unadorned. Consider a reader mode that also
>>> produces a table mapping cons cells read to their locations, for example.
>> When Alan looked at it, the cost seemed prohibitive.
> I'm not aware of the details but think that it may be worth revisiting.

Feel free :-)

> The only serious difficulty a priori appears to be keeping locations in
> transformed code, but most of our diagnostics are issued on code before Lisp
> optimisations so this should mostly matter to macro-expansion.

We shouldn't emit errors/warnings from byte-opt, indeed, so that part
doesn't need to preserve the info, but we still need to preserve it
at least through macro-expansion and cconv.

> Yes, Scheme doesn't have much problems with user code manipulating Lisp as data.
> But what do actual Lisp compilers do? Do they perform a slow re-read when
> until they get to the location they want, when they need to issue
> a diagnostic? (Relint does something similar, in fact.)

Scheme's macro system has a notion of "syntactic object" (i.e. an sexp
combined with metainfo), and the macros make it clear when you're
looking inside a syntactic object or when you're building a new
syntactic object.

Don't know what Common Lisp systems do with `defmacro`, sorry.
I know Gambit Scheme has "defmacro" (under the name `define-macro`) but
it treats it as "second class citizen" in the sense that when using
a macro defined with `define-macro`, the metainfo is just lost.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-08  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-02 10:28 bug#65017: 29.1; Byte compiler interaction with cl-lib function objects, removes symbol-function Eric Marsden
2023-08-03  9:39 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 14:43   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 15:37     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 16:36       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 16:53         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 17:30           ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 16:43     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 17:30       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 18:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 21:00           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 21:10         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 21:46           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-04  9:55             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-05 22:45               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-04 10:14             ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-04 11:11               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 13:41                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-05 22:40               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-06 10:47                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-08  2:33                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-08-04  5:35           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 14:16             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-05 20:22             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-06  4:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 13:22     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 14:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 14:49         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 15:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 16:43             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 17:54               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 22:58             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-05 22:53       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-06 11:59         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-08  2:44           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-08 16:56             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-10  3:41               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-10 14:50                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-12  3:28                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-12  9:59                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-12 18:21                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-12 10:40                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-12 16:46                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-12 18:28                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-13 10:10                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-13 16:12                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-14 17:10                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 16:11   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 16:41     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 18:48       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-09 12:27 ` Alan Mackenzie

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