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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: unhelpful menu keybinding notes
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:29:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvr73wmas7.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DNEMKBNJBGPAOPIJOOICGEOEDEAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:50:00 -0700")

>     Alternatively, one could put explicit keyboard help strings into the
>     menus (or have some property for that purpose on the function?).  One
>     might assume that the people with actual "<cut>", "<paste>", "<copy>"
>     keys would still try using them without being prompted for them.

> Yes, this is a general problem with `substitute-command-keys', which we have
> discussed before. Whenever there is more than one key sequence bound to a
> command, the problem surfaces.

> No matter what algorithm is used to choose (ASCII, non-ASCII, shortest,
> longest, chords, non-chords, whatever), people will want to be able to
> specify the binding to use in the result, and there is no way to do that
> now. I hope we will address this after the release and find a good solution.

> In my own libraries I sometimes hard-code explicit bindings and sometimes
> rely upon \\[...]. The advantage of the former is that you can control what
> gets communicated; the disadvantage is that that can be incorrect if the
> user has changed the bindings.

In some pars of Emacs we use another trick: make and use an alias, like
`advertised-undo'.  I think this is a bad solution because C-h f undo RET
then lists all bindings except for the "advertised" one C-x u.

Maybe a better solution is to add a `advertised-binding' property to the
function's symbol:

  (put 'undo 'advertised-binding [?\C-x ?u])

which could be used similarly to the :key-sequence property in menus
(i.e. it's used if the key seuqnece is indeed bound to the specified
command).


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-17 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-17  3:36 unhelpful menu keybinding notes Miles Bader
2006-04-17  7:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-04-17  7:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-04-17  8:19   ` Lennart Borgman
2006-04-17  8:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-04-17  8:46       ` David Kastrup
2006-04-17 15:50         ` Drew Adams
2006-04-17 16:29           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2006-04-17 16:57             ` Drew Adams
2006-04-18  1:42             ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-18  1:42           ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-17 19:11         ` Lennart Borgman

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