From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: can `shuffle-vector' be moved?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:26:34 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvr582639j.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87aaeqy7u8.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 13 May 2011 09:48:47 -0500")
KR> ;; These are extensions to Emacs Lisp that provide a degree of
KR> ;; Common Lisp compatibility, beyond what is already built-in
KR> ;; in Emacs Lisp.
> OK. Can there be a cl-macs-extras.el for "general cl-macs based code
> that is safe to include in ELisp code"?
I really have no idea why you want it in cl-macs:
1- the "macs" part refers to "macros", your function isn't one.
2- it does not provide a CL-style function.
3- using a CL macro in its definition is a property share by a lot more
code than just the CL code. And actually, the cl*.el files tend not
to use CL features, to avoid circular dependencies.
SM> I really meant "similar": if no other code uses this functionality,
SM> advertising its existence is not going to increase its use.
> I also see lisp/calc/calc-comb.el:math-shuffle-list but you're right,
> it's not commonly needed. I still don't think it belongs in cookie1.el,
> if only because the name is general and not library-specific,
It should probably be called cookie-shuffle-vector, indeed.
> but that's an inconsistency all the cookie1.el functions have.
The only other function I see in cookie1.el that does not use the
"cookie-" prefix is "read-cookie", which is borderline acceptable (we
have a few such "shared prefixes" like "turn-on-"). So,
`shuffle-vector' does indeed stand out. And the fact that it's
autoloaded is a clear sign it is intended to be used by other packages.
But I see no good place to put it right now, and I don't think it
deserves creating a "misc-lib.el" for itself (although some of the
functions in subr.el might be good candidates for such a new package).
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-13 15:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-12 19:58 can `shuffle-vector' be moved? Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 2:03 ` Leo
2011-05-13 2:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 3:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 13:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 3:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 6:00 ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-05-13 14:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-05-13 16:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 16:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 16:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 6:19 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-05-13 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 14:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 17:13 ` Thierry Volpiatto
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