From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11410: 24.1.50; package.el `emacs' package information is broken Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 09:23:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20120505125245.GA24857@c3po.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336224261 3252 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2012 13:24:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 13:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11410@debbugs.gnu.org To: Toby Cubitt Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 15:24:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQeyB-0008Bj-Gg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 15:24:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33406 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQeyA-0008Hq-Hc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:24:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48225) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQey7-0008Hi-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:24:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQey6-0001k7-3E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:24:15 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQey5-0001jX-WD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:24:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SQezq-0002MM-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 13:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11410 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11410-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11410.13362243159014 (code B ref 11410); Sat, 05 May 2012 13:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11410) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2012 13:25:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36864 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SQez4-0002LL-GZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:25:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.143.162]:48257) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SQez2-0002L9-Dq for 11410@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:25:12 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIKACxOgk9MCqD5/2dsb2JhbABDtheCDAOBDIEIggkBAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0khiSBeAW2MothhHkEpEWBXYMDgUA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,391,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="178466016" Original-Received: from 76-10-160-249.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.160.249]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 May 2012 09:23:17 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B87BC5910F; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20120505125245.GA24857@c3po.home> (Toby Cubitt's message of "Sat, 5 May 2012 14:52:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:59783 Archived-At: > Surely the idea is for packages to refuse to even *install* under Emacs > versions where they won't work (package.el displays an "emacs x.x not > available" in this case.) [...] > That seems like a useful feature to me. Preventing users to do what they want doesn't sound useful to me (as I was recently reminded when gparted obnoxiously refused to work on my USB stick, arguing that I need to be root to use it, even though I had write-access to it, and then when I tried again as root it again refused obnoxiously to move the partition arguing that it doesn't know the file-system type (of course, in 99% of the cases moving a partition can be done without paying any attention to the partition type)). Note that I reported such problems to gparted already years ago. Hell, even "gparted --help" complains if you're not root. Next thing you know, they'll change the access permissions to the gparted manpage so only root can read it. I guess a warning could be useful, yes. Stefan