From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:47:26 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83wqxk3d1z.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5hyxnb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqxhy4ha.fsf@gnu.org> <83fw45xxzk.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehjpxwqd.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353354489 20938 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2012 19:48:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 19 20:48:19 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXKG-000616-Pp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:48:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXK6-0008Jx-Kd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:48:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39713) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXK3-0008Jq-71 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:48:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXK1-0001uP-Hm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:47:59 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXK1-0001uL-EP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:47:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXL3-0007fZ-Qu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:49:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12911 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 12911-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12911.135335452729461 (code B ref 12911); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12911) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2012 19:48:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXKp-0007f8-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:48:47 -0500 Original-Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:61237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXKm-0007ey-3J for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:48:45 -0500 Original-Received: from ceviche.home ([24.201.208.110]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MDR002RV2Z2RY40@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:47:26 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1CCA6660FF; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:47:26 -0500 (EST) In-reply-to: <83ehjpxwqd.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67178 Archived-At: >> I don't know of any case under Unix where stderr is dumped into the >> great void > It can still scroll off the screen. Or end up in some file that the > window-system developers or admins set up, and that is some random or > unknown place, as far as Emacs users and maintainers are concerned. > I see no significant difference. The difference is that the above cases are hypothetical, whereas the w32 case is the norm. >> >> So let me reword my suggestion: >> >> I suggested to change the code such that, in those cases where we need >> >> to use emacs_backtrace.txt, we use ~/.emacs.d/backtrace.txt instead. >> > I already agreed to this, provided that Emacs puts stderr output there >> > on all platforms. >> Yes, on all platforms where emacs_backtrace.txt is needed (in practice, >> this does reduce to w32, AFAIK). > No, on _all_ platforms. We disagree on the "is needed" part. I'm not sure that w32 is the only one where it's needed, but so far the need hasn't cropped up elsewhere. Maybe macsox needs it as well? Stefan